Submissions for Turtle?

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 7:55am

Does anyone practice submissions for when your opponent turtles? I'm specifically thinking about Judo for when an opponent turtles just to make the ref stand you back up. If there was a quick submission I could pull from there it would be a big advantage.

**albert** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 8:09am

Crossface to free up an arm for the armbar. Or crossface and try to get an RNC. Most of the time I can't pull anything off so quickly though..

Is crossfacing allowed in competition judo though?

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 8:09am

Also you can't attack the legs in Judo...

**Budd** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 8:33am

I was just told last Saturday that a cross-face isn't allowed in competition judo, HOWEVER, a cool alternative is to work for getting the nearside leg hook in WHILE AT THE SAME TIME going for a half-nelson to turn the guy, just like in wrestling. If the ref sees that you're working for the move and the guy turtling doesn't look totally defensive, you might be set.

**NSLightsOut** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 8:37am

With the gi, clock choke is the shznit.

No gi - I like setting up guillotines very securely while my opponent is in turtle then pulling my guard.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 8:54am

Can you elaborate on the clock choke from a tight turtle?

**Gezere** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 9:08am

There is a rolling choke I learned in L.A. that is awsome. I showed Omega it. Grab his opposite lapel step you right leg over him (if you are on his left side) grab his belt and do a forward roll at about a 45 degree angle. If you can hook his left arm with your leg. CHOKE!

Another is you grab you opponents lapel of the side you are on. Take your other arm and jam the elbow on the against the side of his neck on the opposite side. Sit out and walk around. Its a choke or neck crank depending on if he fights it or not.

Not allowed in Judo but this is one of my favorites that was just shown in GRAPPLING. Its the BANNA SPLIT.(I used to call it the ASIA XTREME!:D Alot of guys didn't know this move, the wrestlers did of course) From his left side get a grapvine his left leg with ou left leg. Reach over or under to his opposite leg with your arms. Fall back and figure 4 your legs. Crankand make a wish.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 9:15am

"There is a rolling choke I learned in L.A. that is awsome. I showed Omega it. Grab his opposite lapel step you right leg over him (if you are on his left side) grab his belt and do a forward roll at about a 45 degree angle. If you can hook his left arm with your leg. CHOKE!"

Does this have a name so I could find some pictures, it sounds good but I'm not really getting it.

**Gezere** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 9:19am

One of our BJJers may have a name for it but non was mentioned when we trained it.

The second one I mentionde is a CLOCK CHOKE variation. The only difference is that you grab his other lapel instead of using the elbow.

**Greese** · Posted On: 4/21/2004 10:12am

I have used that choke before too.
My favorite way is to just turn a turtle...because like a real turtle, people like that are helpless on thier back...half nelson them from the side, reach across to the opposite arm, and drive foward...you can crank the **** out of thier neck if they resist and it looks legal.