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    Since the topic is somewhat related (barely).... if one can become proficient in a combat sport in under 2 years of training, then why do people get their panties in a knot over people who earn their black belt in under 5 years? Doesn't the "black belt" denote proficiency in the art while senior black belt ranks indicated a level of mastery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu2jack
    Since the topic is somewhat related (barely).... if one can become proficient in a combat sport in under 2 years of training, then why do people get their panties in a knot over people who earn their black belt in under 5 years? Doesn't the "black belt" denote proficiency in the art while senior black belt ranks indicated a level of mastery?
    Proficient = roughly BJJ blue belt (that takes about 1-2)

    Considering our experiences with BJJ blues against BB in the McDojo arts, one must question if they're really proficient...

    Beyond that, it becomes a question of what the blackbelt means to the particular art
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    I was under the impression you could get your black belt in 2 years. I looked at the Judo syllabus at one school and it looked like you could get it in 2 years. I could be wrong and it could only be time in grade.
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    Proficient = roughly BJJ blue belt (that takes about 1-2)

    Considering our experiences with BJJ blues against BB in the McDojo arts, one must question if they're really proficient...

    Beyond that, it becomes a question of what the blackbelt means to the particular art
    But as mentioned before in this thread, if you train in a ***** manner 20 years will not be enough time to become proficient. Thus BJJ blues > "McDojo" blacks.

    I suppose it does depend on what the black belt means to an art/organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu2jack
    But as mentioned before in this thread, if you train in a ***** manner 20 years will not be enough time to become proficient. Thus BJJ blues > "McDojo" blacks.

    I suppose it does depend on what the black belt means to an art/organization.
    Well, our 1-2 years clause was also based on the concept of NOT training in a ***** manner, ie BJJ, Boxing, whatever.
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    In many arts a black belt doesn't mean crap. I'm not sure I'd even call it proficient. It means you stuck with a crappy school for long enough to get your belt. Hell I have a blue belt or something in Shaolin-Do and I never once tested.
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    Well, our 1-2 years clause was also based on the concept of NOT training in a ***** manner, ie BJJ, Boxing, whatever
    Yes, yes it is. (Not trying to be a jerk, but I do know what was being talked about)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu2jack
    if one can become proficient in a combat sport in under 2 years of training, then why do people get their panties in a knot over people who earn their black belt in under 5 years?
    Notice the part I bolded. No one gets upset if someone earns a blackbelt in under 5 years. When people get upset its more because the belt was paid for or gained because they showed up at the school for so long (IE: new belt every couple months program). If you can earn a blackbelt in under 5 years more power to you. However, a large majority of people walking around with black belts probably didn't earn it. The correct word would be, bought or maybe obtained.
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    Now that I can punch/kick well enough to be considered proficient, I still think that I'm not proficient at my ability to do karate,
    You realize that doesn't make much sense.
    If you are profienct at punching and kicking with the techniques of your chosen Karate style you ARE doing Karate.
    Yes, I know that. I happen to be one of the minority of posters on Bullshido that thinks that there is more to Karate than just punching and kicking.


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    A whole lot more if you want to learn all the other stuff.
    What is this other STUFF that requires much more time?
    Since it is not punch/kick related, there's no reason for me to waste my time writing it out.

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    That was the funniest thing I've read in atleast the last 2 minutes.
    What's funny is how things taken completely out of context turn into the whole point I was supposedly getting at. Teaching someone to punch and kick is one thing, to teach them karate and not kickboxing (for example) is another.
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