6/15/2006 9:50am, #81
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The whole idea is lame though.
'You beat my ass. But yeah...WE still won. Bitch'
6/15/2006 10:00am, #82Originally Posted by AesopianSON OF ODIN
My Punching with Power article
6/15/2006 10:11am, #83Originally Posted by eviechu
You just don't want to give Hughes any credit though, do you?
I mean, there's *always* an escape, right? It's just a matter of applying it against your opponent.
I think you are underestimating both Hughes' takedown skills and his degree of control from dominant positions.
6/15/2006 10:55am, #84
Originally Posted by kipdynamite
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I guess it's just cultural -- all that trumped up chest-beating macho bullshit that must still soak Brazil's beaches (and beeeeches).
6/15/2006 10:58am, #85Originally Posted by theraydiator
6/15/2006 11:50am, #86Originally Posted by jzs
Originally Posted by mrblackmagic
6/15/2006 12:00pm, #87Originally Posted by eviechu
meh - we agree.
I thought you were saying something to the effect of: "If only Royce had trained X-and-Y escape he would have been fine."
I was replying: Royce obviously knows escapes, but he couldn't effectively use them b/c Hughes' skill from the top is formidable.
edit:: "Jordan" is fine - I'm 22 - "Mr." seems unnecessary
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6/15/2006 3:54pm, #88Originally Posted by theraydiator
6/16/2006 7:59am, #89
Simplified is better.
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6/16/2006 8:17pm, #90
BJJ deserves respect, there is no doubt about that. But the knowledge that a good ground game is essential to being a well rounded fighter is not something that the Gracies were the first to comprehend or exemplify. The Gracies were able to SHOWCASE the benefits of having a good ground game and the pitfalls of not being able to respond effectively to a takedown.
I have seen some pretty bad ass street brawlers get their asses handed to them by varsity wrestlers just because they didn't know how to sprawl properly.
I think the Gracies are to be commended for bringing the essential nature of ground fighting to the fore. As we know, many fights will end up on the ground and knowing what to do when you are down there is important.
However, any BJJ practicioner who can't take a punch can be taken out easily by a man with striking power. In fact, a practicioner of ANY style still be knocked out if the right punch connects. Contrary to popular belief, one CAN knock someone out from their back. Don't think that just because you find yourself on top of somebody that the fight is over.
It is too bad that the Gracies cannot be humble in defeat. Royce was flat out embarassed by Hughes and he looked out- classed big time.
In my opinion striking is where it is at. But neglecting your ground game can be a fatal mistake.
Well rounded is the key." If one wants to have a friend one must also want to wage war for him: and to wage war one must be capable of being an enemy." - Fr. Nietzsche 'On The Friend' Thus Spake Zarathustra