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  1. jzs is offline

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    From the Gracie site

    "1993 the Rorion Gracie created the Ultimate Fighting Championship for one very simple reason-to answer the age old question, "Which martial art is most effective for a real street fight?""

    How fighting with contracts, dozens of rules, in a controlled environment, with a referee, etc. etc. is a "street fight" is beyond illogic.


    "On May 27, 2006, Royce Gracie would return to the UFC to face the current welterweight champion Matt Hughes. When the bell rang and the fight started, Matt and Royce got into a clinch and went to the ground. Matt was able to pass the guard (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) and establish the sidemount (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) from which he was able to attempt a Kimura lock (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) from which he transitioned into a straight arm lock (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu). Royce was able to untangle his arm and in an attempt to get to a better position, he went to his knees. At this point, Matt quickly spun to a backmount and with his hooks (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) in controlled Royce enough to be able to end the fight with an array of punches to the back of the head."

    Replace all the "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" with "Judo" or most any other MA that has grappling techniques, and one could (illogically) say that Hughes was fighting for those MAs too. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzs
    How fighting with contracts, dozens of rules, in a controlled environment, with a referee, etc. etc. is a "street fight" is beyond illogic.
    And how someone thinks that Tai Chi, Aikido, Kung Fu, Karate, etc., are closer to a "street fight" than MMA is beyond stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow
    And how someone thinks that Tai Chi, Aikido, Kung Fu, Karate, etc., are closer to a "street fight" than MMA is beyond stupidity.
    Don't forget Dojo training>Ring fighting.
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    JZS doesn't ever come even halfway as close to a real fight as you do in MMA sparring, but yet he feels he's being better prepared for one.
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    As much as I bash on Royce and Rorion I will admit that the early UFC's that Royce won were pretty fucking hardcore comparitively speaking. Headbutts, groin shots, downward elbows, kicking while down, etc. It was about as close as anyone could get to a no rules streetfight.

    Damn that **** was awesome. Royce heel kicking peoples groin from the backmount in between elbows to the base of the skull. My god, blood is rushing to my penis just thinking about the raw violence of the early UFC's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzs
    From the Pride site:

    "3 No strikes (kicks, elbows, punching) to the back of the head (which includes the occipital region and the spine). The sides of the head and the area around the ears are not considered to be the back of the head."

    "9 No kicks or knees to the head or the face of an opponent who falls face down."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    As much as I bash on Royce and Rorion I will admit that the early UFC's that Royce won were pretty fucking hardcore comparitively speaking. Headbutts, groin shots, downward elbows, kicking while down, etc. It was about as close as anyone could get to a no rules streetfight.

    Damn that **** was awesome. Royce heel kicking peoples groin from the backmount in between elbows to the base of the skull. My god, blood is rushing to my penis just thinking about the raw violence of the early UFC's.
    Disgusting, but very true. Watching the first UFC was funny but it was cool. The two kickboxers who had no clue what to do when the other fell down. HEAD STOMP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzs
    From the Gracie site

    "1993 the Rorion Gracie created the Ultimate Fighting Championship for one very simple reason-to answer the age old question, "Which martial art is most effective for a real street fight?""

    How fighting with contracts, dozens of rules, in a controlled environment, with a referee, etc. etc. is a "street fight" is beyond illogic.


    "On May 27, 2006, Royce Gracie would return to the UFC to face the current welterweight champion Matt Hughes. When the bell rang and the fight started, Matt and Royce got into a clinch and went to the ground. Matt was able to pass the guard (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) and establish the sidemount (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) from which he was able to attempt a Kimura lock (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) from which he transitioned into a straight arm lock (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu). Royce was able to untangle his arm and in an attempt to get to a better position, he went to his knees. At this point, Matt quickly spun to a backmount and with his hooks (Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) in controlled Royce enough to be able to end the fight with an array of punches to the back of the head."

    Replace all the "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" with "Judo" or most any other MA that has grappling techniques, and one could (illogically) say that Hughes was fighting for those MAs too. ;)
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    I forgot about Pride. Shows you how willing they are to uphold the rules when they let Bob Sapp fight.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Relson Gracie Jiu-Jitsu

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    While Matt was not using GJJ 100% of the time since Royce was being stupid and trying to do stand up with Matt. He did use GJJ on Royce. Royce also doesn't know how to train right anymore. He so did not train escapes and defences correctly. When he tried to punch Matt, Matt ducked under and went for the takedown (if I remember correctly). Then Royce basicly gave up side mount. It went on from there and Matt ended up on Royce's back pinned. There is a escape from that position that you can preform, while protecting your head from getting punched in at the same time. This is what my instructor told me, who was told by Relson, Royce's older brother. I also learned this escape. haha. :P
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