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  1. eyebeams is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinbushi
    The only vid I currently have is from when we 1st switched over to aliveness and tey are both low Kyus so looking back it is bad.
    I was disappointed that of all the dojos I invited to join (10 in all) only the one's I listed.
    One thing I'd like to see more of all around in any clips is an an indication of how long the students have been around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    Well, you're not particularly inclined to try, are you?
    No, but I also wasn't the one complaining about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    Well, you're not particularly inclined to try, are you?

    I have.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
    Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
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    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
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    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    Well, you're not particularly inclined to try, are you?
    The preponderance of evidence is that Wing Chun sucks. If someone is interested in claiming otherwise, I would say the burden of proof is on them, not us. People claiming Wing Chun sucks can point to an awful lot of video that supports their point very easily. Until people claiming Wing Chun is good and useful can point to ANY video supporting their point, I suggest they forego argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherdog
    The preponderance of evidence is that Wing Chun sucks. If someone is interested in claiming otherwise, I would say the burden of proof is on them, not us. People claiming Wing Chun sucks can point to an awful lot of video that supports their point very easily. Until people claiming Wing Chun is good and useful can point to ANY video supporting their point, I suggest they forego argument.
    As "evidence," actually means "stuff on the internet," in most discussions here, my point stands. I have mixed feelings about Wing Chun after meeting practitioners, but that's not really transferrable to broad discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    As "evidence," actually means "stuff on the internet," in most discussions here, my point stands. I have mixed feelings about Wing Chun after meeting practitioners, but that's not really transferrable to broad discussion.
    I can find positive examples of other arts on the internet. Is wing chun just unable to use a computer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
    I can find positive examples of other arts on the internet. Is wing chun just unable to use a computer?
    You're apparently unable to use BS' search engines to find things relevant to discussion. The other thread clearly showed that. Your choice of samples isn't really their problem then, is it?
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    Umm, eyebeams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    Why is it after:

    10+ years of Internet use by the general population
    10 Trillion Terrabytes of data transferred all over the world*
    4+ years of us pleading for it...

    ...we still haven't seen Wing Chun in action that even remotely resembles the Wing Chun taught in the forms, much less Wing Chun being used successfully as a striking art against a credible kickboxer/Muay Thai guy?

    Seriously, all we're getting is choreographed bullshit and chunners fighting other chunners or using BJJ and calling it Wing Chun.
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    Yes yes, Phrost, I'm well aware of the amazing goalpost-switching, criteria-stacking saga this has become as you do, in fact, find credible clips. I remember lurking around and reading about how WC needed examples of live training to be taken seriously. Once that came out, you wanted examples of WC winning. Now that you've posted an example of *that* on your own front page you want:

    ...we still haven't seen Wing Chun in action that even remotely resembles the Wing Chun taught in the forms
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    I understand that your definition of CMA is "stuff from a kung fu movie" and thus, not really worth taking seriously.

    much less Wing Chun being used successfully as a striking art against a credible kickboxer/Muay Thai guy?
    I love the "credible" dodge, since that caveat is never applied on the numerous occasions when, say, somebody uses BJJ or Muay Thai against an obvious tomato can here. In fact, you archive those vids for the sake nutriding triumphalism. Well -- you don't archive the ones that challenge that POV, I see . . .

    Anyway:

    http://www.alanorr.com/htdocs/images...s%20clips.html

    shows that you haven't been looking very hard, have you?

    Seriously, all we're getting is choreographed bullshit
    Sure. It's a legitimate problem with the art.

    and chunners fighting other chunners or using BJJ and calling it Wing Chun.
    Oh yeah, the one armbar = BJJ again. You're a very silly man.

    This **** always boils down to the same thing: Bad analysis that fails to distinguish between the validity of the delivery system and the culture of the art. But unless there is a meeting point for people to train at and record how the delivery system works in a culture of live training, it's hard to tell which is which.
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