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  1. roly is offline

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     Style: judo, karate, jap jj

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    I'd like to ammend this with the obligatory "judo newaza still sucks"

    Thank you.
    bjj = basically just judo :P


    "sucks" may be a bit strong of a word, but i think it leaves a little too much room for improvement
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    There is a guy here in Japan that is a pure Judoka and he has entered in BJJ comps and won. He has obviously worked on his newaza and it is much better than the average in Judo but it can be done.

    I know its not evidence of Judo's ability on the ground but it shows that if you work hard on it, you can get to a very high level. I guess I am just hoping that other Judoka will try to excell on the ground because I think that sometimes the refs stand people up so quick because they suck on the ground.
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    I don't actually care and I am unclear why a blatant troll comment merits serious response.
    I figure judo ground proficiency is probably a little higher and a little more consistent than the standing proficiency of most bjj guys.
    Not that that says much.
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    I was just chiming in with a Rainman-esque comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MONGO
    There is a guy here in Japan that is a pure Judoka and he has entered in BJJ comps and won. He has obviously worked on his newaza and it is much better than the average in Judo but it can be done.

    I know its not evidence of Judo's ability on the ground but it shows that if you work hard on it, you can get to a very high level. I guess I am just hoping that other Judoka will try to excell on the ground because I think that sometimes the refs stand people up so quick because they suck on the ground.

    they will if groundwork becomes more important in the olympics. Otherwise they'll stick with being great throwers
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    The coach said that 8% of wins in modern judo were due to ground submission, but that it's likely to change. Any truth to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virus
    The coach said that 8% of wins in modern judo were due to ground submission, but that it's likely to change. Any truth to this?
    That sounds about right. I always watch the Olympic Judo matches and it is pretty rare for them to go to the ground. In my class randori sessions, it's more like 60/40 throws/groundwork.
    "Keep a sharp knife, shiny boots and be on time."
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    My Judo club is about 40% Throws/ 60% ground. Then again my Judo instructor is 100% blind so...yeah.
    Last edited by Hatsumauru; 6/07/2006 12:45pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    1) Uchi Mata
    2) Harai Goshi
    3) Tani Otoshi

    Those 3 throws make my bjj life so much easier.
    O hell yes, especially Tani. No one sees it coming.
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    My judo club has perhaps 20% newaza with emphasis on transitioning from a throw (ippon or not) into newaza, and the rest is just pure throwing. And on Saturdays it's kata. Since I only go two or three times a week (and I never miss newaza day) - it's pretty much 40% to 50% newaza for me...

    ... and I haaaate when they tell me to turn facing down everytime single time I'm defending from a sub or pin. Besides that little detail, I like the place.
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