Things that must change!

**Fantasy Warrior** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 12:09pm

So chance, you don't think this is silly? http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/W2Mn5Ele.mpg

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 12:13pm

Originally Posted by ChanceDuBois

Actually yes it is. The modern definition of kata is a corruption of the idea based on the stuff that you have seen called kata.

Anything preplanned and done in order to ingrain an ideal method is a form of kata. This is the correct definition in judo based arts according to kano.

Right. So you are trying to say a tea ceremony is just as effective at teaching me to fight as BJJ.

**Poop Loops** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 12:30pm

Originally Posted by kickcatcher

So chance, you don't think this is silly? http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/W2Mn5Ele.mpg

I love how they added sound effects to make the blocks sound strong. And the sounds of feet shuffling was cool, too.

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 1:29pm

"Only IDIOTS think kata is useless because they don't know what they are talking about!!!" 5/6/03 Asia

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 1:33pm

Originally Posted by The Villain

Kata is clearly effective because everything is kata. No fallacy there.

That sounds an awful lot like the "chi" argument.

**Fantasy Warrior** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 1:42pm

More silliness that must be banned!

http://www.wingtjun.nl/images/movies/siu02.avi

PS. note the speeling of Wing Tjun....

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/09/2006 1:59pm

Originally Posted by kickcatcher

More silliness that must be banned!

PS. note the speeling of Wing Tjun....

Old news.

**Ajamil** · Posted On: 6/10/2006 12:07am

Hey, since this thread has gone back to silliness and "Yuh-HUH!" "Nuh-UH!" arguments, I'm gonna ask a few more silly LARP questions.

If a male transvestite were to do MA, would he/she be LARPing if he/she wore a dress, or if he/she wore pants?

When the Japanese do no-gi BJJ, are they LARPing?

**ChanceDuBois** · Posted On: 6/11/2006 12:16pm

Kickcatcher, that Hsing Yi two man set looked like a basic teaching exercise for beginners showing a hand change with big exaggerated movements. What is wrong with that? So long as they take the point and move on to incorporate it into free hand stuff with resistance it is fine. If they just stand doing that same thing every day for years then obviously it is a flawed method of training.

It is worth remembering that kata or forms are not fixed either..what was appropriate in 18th C China is not always appropriate today. Things need to be allowed to evolve but basic lessons are still often profound and worth learning. If you never look you will never find, so try not to get jaded about the whole thing and the many con men and bullshitters.

Is it fake, your point about the tea ceremony is nonsensical. Tea ceremony is a tea kata, bjj drills are a bjj "kata". They teach different skills. Also there is less pressure when you try to make tea for real compared to passing a guard for real. Bjj "kata" needs more time drilling to get the basics of body position, base, movement etc down properly before resistance is really introduced and it can be used for real. With tea that is not the case (although you might be politely mocked in Japanese).