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  1. SLJ is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The police are on a salary for what they do.

    As I said before, if me or someone I care about is in danger I'll go for the person, all out.

    I won't get involved in a situation over something as petty as (in this case) beer.

    Refer to, "Man killed over chips" story.

    (slightly different topic I know)


    She didn't know he was unarmed.



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    Edited by - slj on June 06 2003 08:34:04
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Yes, the police are on a salary.

    So, because of that, it is not your problem, right? You don't think that it is a citizen's responsibility to aid the police in apprehending thieves and other criminals?

    I know that under Canadian and British law, failure to assist police when asked to do so, is a criminal offence.

    But she was not, right?

    SLJ, it is this type of appathetic attitude that makes things worse. If you are in a store, and you witness a shoplifting and you don't do anything about it, you are just as guilty as he....because by doing nothing, you are assisting the perpetrator in his crimes.

    And the Australian bar chips story has absolutely no bearing on this. It isn't even the same scenario.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Furthermore, SLJ, you're from the UK, right?

    You should understand this even more, because your police officers don't even get issued firearms, so they're just as much at risk as any other citizen. So what if they're paid to do this. The police are only being paid to do a duty full time, that is incumbent on every citizen for the community welfare and existence.

    The best won victory is that obtained without bloodshed - Bushido proverb

    Edited by - Rising Phoenix on June 06 2003 08:48:06
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    6/06/2003 8:49am

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    >SLJ, it is this type of appathetic attitude that makes things worse. If you are in a store, and you witness a shoplifting and you don't do anything about it, you are just as guilty as he....because by doing nothing, you are assisting the perpetrator in his crimes.


    No I am not, if the police ask me for a statement I will gladly give it.

    What I won't do is risk being stabbed over beer.



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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    But if you do nothing to try to deter this thief in the first place, and you let him escape, then it is aiding and abetting a criminal offence.

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    >You should understand this even more, because your police officers don't even get issued firearms.

    I know, they should have firearms, doesn't change my attitude though.



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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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    You know, a couple of times I've helped to catch shoplifters, and I ended up just feeling a little bad about it.

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    RP,
    That was plain stupid.

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    SLJ, I understand your inhibitions about getting actively involved. I do.

    But if the common man doesn't get up and make a stand against the crime and corruption in society, then they win. Don't you understand?

    Doing what's right is never wrong.

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    >But if you do nothing to try to deter this thief in the first place, and you let him escape, then it is aiding and abetting a criminal offence.

    I don't see it that way, I see it as not taking on someone who maybe armed, over something very stupid.

    And due to amazinly sensible British "laws" I can't carry anything to defend myself with.

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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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