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    Uh, you lost me with the big words, dude. Dumb it down for this poor soldier.

    As far as fear about my training, I have none. :) I've faired quite well, thank you.

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    Virus , with all respect but isnt it a little "cheap" to burn down all bujinkan just because you stepped out of it?

    Besides that ;

    ... from a sports science perspective ...
    As soon as bujinkan gets into the sports perspective i'm out also , until then ....
    It just isn't a sport , how badly you would like it to be then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sci-mdk
    As soon as bujinkan gets into the sports perspective i'm out also , until then ....
    It just isn't a sport , how badly you would like it to be then ?
    I think what he means is that what is being presented goes against everything known among movement specialists, kinestetics, skeleto-muscular science, etc.

    As in all the scientific research that has gone into the study of human movement by way of the practice of sports/dance, etc.

    The Buj arts may not be sports in and of themselves but you're still using human bodies to practice it and all the known features of human bodies are still as applicable to those arts as they are to any other human activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sci-mdk



    As soon as bujinkan gets into the sports perspective i'm out also , until then ....
    It just isn't a sport , how badly you would like it to be then ?
    Whether is a sport or not they are still have to adhere to the same biomechanics and physics.

    Atheletes have alwasy led the way on understanding how the body moves. Therefore its now surprise that the Martial Athelete out performs so many socalled MArtist in any enviorment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu

    A BBT practitioner would benefit far more from doing a lot of rope-skipping for footwork rather than holding really deep stances. One will definitely help his footwork, the other not really.
    I agree, that is why I think Nagato Sensei has such light, quick and good footwork. And is why I first started to jump rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinbushi
    I agree, that is why I think Nagato Sensei has such light, quick and good footwork. And is why I first started to jump rope.
    You know Boxers, Muay Thai, and MMA fighters skip rope alot.

    What does this meanf for shinbushi!?!?!?!?!

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    On Kamae

    All the BJK kamae are based off weapon armored kamae. I teach them as transitional movement. For instance if I am in a boxing or Muay Thai stance and I duck a cross and come in 1st with my left to plum(sp?) while keeping my right guard up (surprise left ichimonji :5magnify:) then complete my plum by grabbing with my right hand. Given I learned that at a Rodney King seminar but that is an application of Ichimonji. Another would be using it to create distance in a self defense situation to then turn and run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORD ASIA
    You know Boxers, Muay Thai, and MMA fighters skip rope alot.

    What does this meanf for shinbushi!?!?!?!?!

    Resistance if futile!:new_borgs
    I know, :sigh: my Muay Thai coach is preparing me for my level one test.
    last night I did 3 rounds and on the pads averaged 80 kicks and 62 knees per round. But Kru was not the pad holder so I probably would not have gotten in the needed ammount (64 kicks and 42 knees/round I think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORD ASIA
    You know Boxers, Muay Thai, and MMA fighters skip rope alot.

    What does this meanf for shinbushi!?!?!?!?!

    Resistance if futile!:new_borgs
    So jump roping is in now? Wait when I went to school and jumped rope with the girls people called me a sissy. This is bullshit.

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    I think that moving with deeper kamae has a lot to do with hip flexibility over leg strength, and the "strength" development has less to do with creating powerful/explosive leg movement as it does simply maintaining solid but relaxed/flexible leg structure when the muscles are exhausted. But I honestly don't know enough about strength training to argue that it is advantageous to develop that solidity through exaggerrated motion.

    Secondly, deep kamae have a lot of usefulness when you are on rugged and uneven terrain (being top heavy is very bad on hillsides and moving surfaces like boats and aircraft), and for manuevering into position for throws.. getting your hips under the opponent's or displacing his entirely with yours... should be able to carry someone quite a bit larger than you on your hips.

    Even that really deep ichimonji doesn't have the feet very wide apart from what I understand. They are a bit more than shoulder lenght apart but not by much. The angle of the hip bowl tilts the spine back a bit and it appears that you have a wider/longer stance. Being bladed out like that to the opponent is good if you are fencing without much/any armor. As I understand, in armored schools like Kukishinden ryu you actually are more squared off to maximize the protection from your chest armor (and minimize the unarmored side/ribs exposure).
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