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  1. Mr. Jones is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdnronin
    Atemi was missing from Judo?
    I read an essay by Kenji Tomiki and he said how atemi waza and kansetsu waza were being neglected in Judo because of their use only in kata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS
    Probably, but you as a judo practitioner could do the following experiment (if you find volunteers in your club, of course):

    Put your parner in one approved Judo osae waza, ie kata-gatame, then proceed to beat him while he figths back and tries to escape the pin. Another partner with a stopwatck clock.

    Rinse and repeat with another approved osae waza.

    Tell us the results: Can you beat a guy for 25 sec. starting from judo osae waza position? Is the pinned guy able to escape in reasonable amount of time without receiving fight ending punishment?
    Will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS
    Well, until 1912 iirc the word "kendo" was not officially used, then all the matches before that date were between kenjutsu practitioners, even if they used what now is known as "kendo" protective equipement and shinai.
    You can't know who won without real swords. That's a big difference between kendo and judo - there's no simple equating the development paths of the two in that manner.
    The origin of Kendo, in my opinion, was more about developing a ruleset for matching different kenjutsu schools practitioners in a safe environment and training with the "aliveness" needed to develop fighting skills in a peaceful time (the Tokugawa - Edo era).
    I don't think developing a ruleset for cross-ryu matches was a main or even secondary goal. They were looking for a safe way to spar. The modern rules came about, as usual, through government interference when they decided that kendo would be a good thing for the schools, and then later on when they had to sanitize it to satisfy the American occupiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilG
    You can't know who won without real swords. That's a big difference between kendo and judo - there's no simple equating the development paths of the two in that manner.
    I don't think developing a ruleset for cross-ryu matches was a main or even secondary goal. They were looking for a safe way to spar. The modern rules came about, as usual, through government interference when they decided that kendo would be a good thing for the schools, and then later on when they had to sanitize it to satisfy the American occupiers.
    Interesting; the history of the developement of shinai, bogu and Kendo ruleset deserves its own thread.

    Done: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35012
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