Thread: UFC on ESPN Outside the Line
5/26/2006 12:11pm, #1
UFC on ESPN Outside the Line
Very good episode.
Dana White is the promotion king. He does his usual sales pitch on safety. He talks about how he moved it from extreme, to being sanctioned in almost all of the main boxing venues. He goes on to say The UFC is better than boxing with more recognizable names.
Lou DiBella(?) 11 year HBO boxing promoter comes up as the negative slant.
He talks about shooting each other, Machetes, and public execution in his argument. He says if these happened in the ring they would also get the high ratings. He also says it is an example of extreme fighting and he doesn't consider the UFC a "sport" 9yes he makes the quotes in the interview). He then says wait until somone's face is ripped off or a Death happens in the ring.
Lou also goes into how The UFC hasn't approached boxing.
Later he is proven wrong when they go into the ppv numbers. Saying that the RC vs. CL fight pulled in better number than many marquee boxing matches at the same time.
They have a small interview with Chuck lidell. He talks about making $1000 a fight and thinking of giving up. He now makes close to a quarter of a million dollars per fight.
It was cool to see the likes of Shaq and George Clooney at ring side, just like a boxing match.
Overall it was a very positive episode.
5/26/2006 1:12pm, #2
I saw part of it. It was pretty good. Pro boxing is scared shitless. Give it 5 years and pro boxing fights will be on the undercard for pro MMA events. Mark my words.
5/26/2006 1:16pm, #3
Size-wise, Boxing still owns MMA hard core. $250k isn't anywhere near a decent boxing purse. Top guys make _millions_. Cans in undercards fights make $50-$100k. De La Hoya’s fight against Ricardo Mayorga drew 875k PPV buys and 17.6 million in ticket sales. Hell, boxing is an olympic sport.
And while boxing isn't in a good spot, MMA isn't close to taking it out yet. But in another 10 years? Yeah, if boxing doesn't do something it'll end up like Judo.
And Dana was dead on when he said guys that make money off boxing are scared but so is he. Don king or bob arum could buy the UFC outright.
No matter what, it's cool to watch the evolution of fight sports.
edit - the reason why boxing has the advantage it the same reason UFC stands up the fighter quickly now. People like to watch people getting hit more than they like to watch submissions.
Last edited by PirateJon; 5/26/2006 1:19pm at .You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.
5/26/2006 1:48pm, #4
Plus, it helps when you have us senators in the pockets of beer and boxing telling the public something is more dangerous then it is.
5/26/2006 2:25pm, #5
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I'm sorry but neither Don King or Bob Arum could buy the UFC outright. You do know the Fertitia brothers are billionaires or closer to it than not via their casino ownership.
Since the UFC is hot, could they demand an exhorbitant amount of money for it and find it met by DK or Arum? Possibly. However, the F Bros > DK & Arum in checkbook size by far.
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5/26/2006 2:40pm, #6
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Boxing has been dying a slow death for the last 45 years now well before most people ever even heard of the UFC or MMA. The over saturation of Boxing on television during the 1950’s caused all of the small club shows to start going under since people could just stay home instead. When the club shows dried up the Boxing gyms started experiencing hard times as well leading to massive amounts of them closing up during the 1950’s through the 1970’s. Prior to the 1970’s the only sports where you could hope to make any real money were Boxing and Baseball. Today there are many more options for young athletes this combined with the lack of exposure compared to years past and far fewer Boxing gyms makes going into boxing as a profession a far less attractive option. There was a time when New York State alone held more Boxing matches in a year than are held in all of the US in a year today. Today you have far fewer active Boxers competing in double the amount of divisions (17!) with three or four title holders in each division. Even serious Boxing fans would be hard pressed to name more than a handful of the current “champions”. The well established corruption of the alphabet organizations has also done its share of turning away fans from the sport. As the older fans die off or are driven away in disgust by the current state of the sport they haven’t been as quickly replaced by younger fans who rarely even see or hear anything about Boxing except when something ridiculous happens like the Mayweather/Judah’s corner men brawl. One of the announcers on ESPN couldn’t even get Mayweathers name right continually referring to him as “Merryweather”.
So if and when MMA catches up to or overtakes Boxing (still a long way off) it will have less to do with MMA gaining in popularity and more to due with the fact that Boxing has been slowly spiraling down the toilet for a long time now. MMA’s growing popularity is just another nail of many in the coffin.
As far as MMA being the “sport of the future” as many like to call it, only time will tell but I’m still quite a bit skeptical of that one. I’m old enough to remember when Soccer was going to be the new “sport of the future” in the US. Back in the 70’s there was a stretch where all of a sudden Soccer got real popular. The rallying cry was “Soccer is the world’s most popular sport. The kids in the US just haven’t had the chance to be exposed to it. Once all of these kids playing in these youth Soccer leagues grow up they’ll understand the sport and will go into and follow professional Soccer. One day Soccer will overtake Baseball, Football, and Basketball in the US.” There seemed to be some merit to it as youth Soccer programs began to outnumber Football and in some cases Baseball as well. The Cosmos even sold out Giants stadium; I think that they still hold the record. Well a few years later the bubble burst and the Soccer fad faded away in the states.
MMA may catch up to Boxing at some point but it will probably be a case of MMA gaining in popularity and Boxing continuing it’s steady slide and they both end up meeting in the middle some place. At the current time Boxing is still more popular than MMA and realistically it’s become only a fringe sport right now. I cant’ see either Boxing or MMA ever really being any more than fringe sports that appeal to a hard core minority of fans.
5/26/2006 5:12pm, #7
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Don King and Bob Arum are right up there with them in terms of money. ****, Oscar De La Hoya will be a billionaire within the next 5-10 years. He owns a SHITLOAD of real estate in Ca and owns his own Boxing promo company. He's worth I think its close to $400-500 mil.
Actually I think MMA will HELP Boxing believe it or not. Boxing is a big part of MMA and many MMA fans who weren't combat sports before will now understand Boxing enough to appreciate it. Dana White himself is a giant Boxing fan. Vice Versa will also be true, many Boxing fans will begin to like and respect MMA.
5/26/2006 5:33pm, #8
Yeah, I really don't think it's likely that MMA will ever go away now. It's not a fad. I hope that boxing never dries up, but at the same time I still would like a little of the wind to be taken out of it's sails owing to the ridiculous desparity between the pay for the calibre of champions in both sports.
Oscar de la hoya is an awesome boxer... however, he'd get his ass kicked but good if he got in the MMA game... which is barely worth even saying. On the same token, most MMA guys couldn't survive a championship boxing match.
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5/26/2006 5:45pm, #9
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So Boxing guys should stop tearing the UFC down and realize that their really in fact losing their money to non-combat sports.
5/26/2006 6:31pm, #10
Uber-rich boxing promoters might be able to offer obscene amounts of money to buy the UFC, but you also have to take into account if it's up for sale at any price. Dana and Co. didn't get into the UFC because they thought it would be a money-maker; quite the oposite. Everyone told them it would be a money pit. I don't see them bugging out now for anything Don King could offer.