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  1. PointyShinyBurn is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceDuBois
    Once you are in a clinch you are no longer able to use arm bridging techniques and should instead focus on clinch techniques. I would have thought this was obvious?
    What's their plan to prevent people clinching with them?
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    What is anyone's plan to prevent people clinching with them?
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    Retreat to where they can't be grabbed. Since these people's fighting strategy includes both avoiding the clinch and standing in grabbing range, I was wondering what they did instead?
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    You might as well ask what is a muay thai fighter's plan to prevent people pulling guard on them since they often stand in guard pulling range.
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    Wing chun addresses the arm bridge. It is highly specialised. This does not mean it is wrong.
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    Dude just show us a clip where WC fighters go at it at this "arm bridge/trapping range" and when and if they go into clinch range, then they go into the thai clinch as you said. Just shows us the clip, a clip... any clip... and by clip, I mean not a demo clip.
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    You're missing the point, people. By wing chun standards, this is "good". By other standards maybe it looks like a retard fight, but that doesn't mean it's not good for wing chun. It may say something damning about wing chun if this is among the best it can offer, but let's accept it's good wing chun.

    Snarking aside: Chance, what I saw was bloody awful. Video 5 shows them slapfighting at a fixed distance and making no serious attempt to take a grip or break the other's balance. Video 8 is about as bad. The chunners are deliberately keeping their bodies distant, when someone really going for a clinch would have their whole bodyweight closing the gap. It's not going to stop someone going for a clinch, and I'm immensely sceptical that that parry-and-block technique is going to stop a good puncher. What value is this supposed to have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceDuBois
    What is anyone's plan to prevent people clinching with them?
    ad hominem circumstantial + petitio principii ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceDuBois
    You might as well ask what is a muay thai fighter's plan to prevent people pulling guard on them since they often stand in guard pulling range.
    A pure MT fighter? Probably couldn't do much about it.

    Just out of interest, which BJJ school are you at?

    EDIT: Damn you and your exposition Sophist, I was trying to do this all socratic and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    A pure MT fighter? Probably couldn't do much about it.

    Just out of interest, which BJJ school are you at?

    EDIT: Damn you and your exposition Sophist, I was trying to do this all socratic and stuff.
    Sorry dude. My bad. I love a nicely done bit of Socratic irony, but when I began that post you'd only just asked about the clinch vs trapping vid, and I paused midway through to watch another WC video in the vain vain hope it wouldn't be as bad.

    Also, we need a Socrates icon by way of an alert. It would also come in handy for philosophical discussions. Have we got one suitable or is someone going to have to make one?
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