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  1. kipdynamite is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: judo, boxing, BJJ

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    I saw it coming all three times. First time I just raised my hands becuase he was slashing at my chest and throat, he got the one good cut on my chest then I got it from him, don't ask me what technique I don't really remember. Number 2, the guy was at my side, i had him seperated from another guy and he came in low and stabbed me, and yes I felt it right then, my reaction, I jumped backward and tried to get out of the way of the off duty cop working the front. He had his Glock in the guys face in about a tenth of a second. The screwdriver, I saw the guy with it threatening his ex and I ran grabbed his arm at the wrist and just peeled it away breaking his thumb in the process and I tried to bite him too! :phil2:
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    While knife encounters, like any kind of fight, can go any number of ways and are all different, they can be broken down into 2 very basic catagories: a "knife fight" and an "assasination".

    The vast majority of knife defenses that are taught in MA are against the "knife fight". While many have been mired down in the flashy and made nearly useless, most have roots in actual defenses that are designed against blade v hand and blade v blade combat.

    What I think kiddynamite may have encountered, possibly in larger numbers, is the "assasination" type of encounter. The "assasination" is nearly impossible to defend. I tell my students all the time that if you see the weapon, you are already way ahead of the survival game. Your chance of defense and ultimately escape is much higher since you know the risk. However, if someone really wants you injured or dead, they will be more likely to sneak the weapon in and stick you without you knowing its even there.

    The analogy can easily be drawn between the knife encounters listed above and the difference between defending against a fight and a sucker-punch. I don't care how good a fighter you are, sucker-punches are difficult-at-best to defend against.

    There is only so much that any style or instructor can do or teach to defend against a knife- but the "assasination" makes all of them look weak and ineffective. I just don't think that it is a fair comparison to put knife defenses against the assasination when the end results are the only evidence you have.

    I have been in 3 knife assaults that I not only survived but came out on top. I have witnessed 2 assasination type attacks that didn't end as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DngrRuss1
    I tell my students all the time that if you see the weapon, you are already way ahead of the survival game. Your chance of defense and ultimately escape is much higher since you know the risk. However, if someone really wants you injured or dead, they will be more likely to sneak the weapon in and stick you without you knowing its even there.
    See 1:45 to learn you how peeps get their stab on 'round the D.

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    To go along with what Russ was saying, it ticks me off that people teach this silly knife dueling as knife defense. Vunak is guilty of this many times.

    If someone is slashing you with a knife and retreating (ie. fucking with you), you have space. This space is to run. Don't try to be a big shot. Just get the **** out of there.

    Having trained in FMA for a long time, if I had a knife and wanted to cut you, just to **** with you, I absolutely guarantee I could do it if you were not armed, and intended to let me play this game. Most guys with some knife experience could do the same.

    This kind of training has minimal use as far as actual self defense goes. It can teach you some principles, bus should not be used as a defensive application in and of itself. If someone is playing this slashing/retreating game, just get the hell out of there. Worry about defending only if they are really trying to gut you, and you have no options as far as escape.

    You can survive some cuts and continue fighting, as some people's experience here demonstrates. But if you can avoid it from the outset, do it. If someone really comes at you, go balls out, expect to get cut, but try to kill the fucker. Don't **** around.
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    Eh, while Vunak may be wrong on some medical facts. I think his main point is facing a knife empty handed sucks. Can't argue with that.
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    Last summer I spent a few really interesting hours talking to an old NYPD cop, the sort who kicks in doors and still carries a S&W Model 10. He said that over the years he was part of a number of research projects on defensive tactics. Some of the knife studies were interesting. He'd have people demonstrate their knife defense. Then he'd really try to stick them.

    No matter what they taught, most blocked, backed up and got cut. He said the real exceptions were Mike Inay and his students who really did control and move in. This put them head and shoulders above almost everyone else.
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    My uneducated opinion is to clinch quickly, hopefully strike or damage with some nasty attack, but mainly get close and control the knifeman enough to stop you getting multiple wounds. Hell, that's only if it's too late to run away yelling.
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    Does anybody have an opinion on the Krav Maga defenses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced
    Does anybody have an opinion on the Krav Maga defenses?
    From the little bit I have seen of them, their great... if you don't mind dieing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Rooster
    My uneducated opinion is to clinch quickly, hopefully strike or damage with some nasty attack, but mainly get close and control the knifeman enough to stop you getting multiple wounds. Hell, that's only if it's too late to run away yelling.
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