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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
    You mentioned SL4 shouldn't be done off a punch but instead off a grab to the wrist , arm , or lapel . I am of the belief the SL4 just shouldn't be there at all ... atleast as I have seen it done . Every single video I have seen of Sub Level 4 ( Delayed Sword ) I hadve seen , up till know , was completely compliant and unrealistic .

    I don't understand how the techniques contained within it are worth teaching if they are taught in other combos . I drill difficult and counter intuitive striking drills in order to get a better grasp of the techniques and striking in awkward positions , but I try to make it as close to realistic as possible .
    I don't do SL4, and as a matter of fact, I don't endorse what they do, I don't even think it's Kenpo anymore. The attack in the vid is correct, but how they do DS and how I do it, apples and oranges. I'll have to find another clip of Delayed Sword, it used to be on my website but I let that go cuz I broke up with the chick that was webmaster and it wasn't getting updated.

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    What's funny now, the Kenpo guys are saying how lame the takedown was that I used, and it was a half assed takedown for a half assed technique. Thing is, I wasn't teaching takedowns, and in fact, did it very sloppily simply to illustrate the point that Delayed Sword should not be used for a punch. I wasn't going full bore, and neither was the guy doing the tech. Chapel even says it looks like the guy had a pretty good headlock on at the end. You see where I'm going with these Kenpo guys, circular logic?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde
    Makes me feel bad if I've cheated 'em out of an ass whoopin' LOL, and they love it.
    I always felt cheated if I left a training session without bruises, cuts or some other injury. Theory is nice, but we must do application to actually learn anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde
    ...simply to illustrate the point that Delayed Sword should not be used for a punch.
    ....

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    If Delayed Sword shouldn't be used for a punch why is Sword of Destruction taught for one?

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    Clyde, good to see that you have the regulation kempo mullet coming along there.


    If Kempoka, reknowned grapplers that they are, want to take the piss out of your take-down form, I'd like to see them try SL4 against a better shoot. Is there a Kempo forum you're posting this on or something? If so, link for our amusement please.


    That vid should be spliced with some fottage of the same technique as it's commonly taught and narrated so that no-one can take it out of context. Then you have somehing that ciuld actually make a difference in the Kempo world. Until then I fear people will choose to ignore the obvious.
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    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
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    Well, let's be honest, the takedown was not that great.

    How that helps defend the technique or takes away from the demo is beyond me though as a better takedown would have been worse for the other guy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Green
    Well, let's be honest, the takedown was not that great.

    How that helps defend the technique or takes away from the demo is beyond me though as a better takedown would have been worse for the other guy...
    Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

    Not like Clyde admitted that himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde
    What's funny now, the Kenpo guys are saying how lame the takedown was that I used, and it was a half assed takedown for a half assed technique. Thing is, I wasn't teaching takedowns, and in fact, did it very sloppily simply to illustrate the point that Delayed Sword should not be used for a punch. I wasn't going full bore, and neither was the guy doing the tech. Chapel even says it looks like the guy had a pretty good headlock on at the end. You see where I'm going with these Kenpo guys, circular logic?


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    When you guys talk about SL4 Delayed Sword, do you mean this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=delayed+sword
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    Wow, there is no way in hell that this can be any form of reality based training whatsoever. I already knew that there were bad schools in CMAs and JMAs, but I didn't realize that Kenpo was THIS bad.

    So the whole Jeff Speakman stuff is only for the movies, huh? Geez, do people really think that any of this will work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    When you guys talk about SL4 Delayed Sword, do you mean this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=delayed+sword

    Wow even Aikido has better grabbing techniques for that.

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