Steven Hayes ditches the BJK

[Yrkoon9]

Every instructor will tell you what is and isn't effective in a real fight. The problem is that most of the time they're wrong. They don't have the slightest idea what would work because they've never been in a fight and their style has never been put to the test. Their knowledge of what does and doesn't work is passed down from their instructors, who also never fought.

I know where you train from previous conversations. I have trained with several of the guys who are senior members of the school, although it's been about 4 years since I visited. Honestly, the curriculum there at that time was the typical weak training that is usually associated with ninjutsu, to shin do, etc. There are much better places in the area to train if you want to have usable fighting skill. They'll also charge you about 1/2 the price.

Your school does have one thing going for it. One of your head instructors has actually stepped up and tested himself in MMA a couple of times and he did very well. So, he is familiar with the realities of fighting.

But, here's the dirty little secret. Guess where he really learned to fight? At the BJJ school that is located in the back of the fitness center in the same shopping center as your school. (Two doors down, I think). He's a blue belt in BJJ, and he wouldn't have the skills for MMA without his other training.

The question is whether what he has learned is filtering down to the students of his school, or if he is teaching his students the same old BS while pursuing more effective training for himself. I don't know the answer to that question, since I haven't visited in a while. I have heard through the grapevine that they've been doing some rolling there about once a week, which is a start.

One thing that is a little disappointing is that it looks like BJJ isn't getting any credit for what they're doing there. For instance, they continue to refer to the grappling as jutaijutsu instead of BJJ, which is kind of shitty, I think. But anyway, maybe some realistic training will filter down from him, or maybe he'll just take your money and let you pretend to be a ninja. I don't know. Just something to think about.

I like you.

That is difficult to say because I loathe people with low post counts as a general rule.

But your first paragraph about how instructors 'know' what works is dead on. In fact I probably would have to write several paragraphs to say what you did in one.

The last paragraph also struck me. I have mentioned before how many people are absorbing MMA, Vale Tudo, and BJJ techniques - drills - skills - etc and passing them off in thier own style. What is worse is that they usually do a bit of revisionist history stating that they have 'always done this'. Which is bullshit. We went over this on the Speakman Kenpo thread in the video where it starts off in bold titles "THIS IS WHAT WE DO"...which was crap. It should have read: "This Is What We Do Now...after the post-UFC explosion that revealled our gaping holes and piss poor training methods" because we all know just 10 years ago they were playing slap tag with foam gear and calling points for ridgehands and backfists to the top of the head.

I'll be watching you carefully.

[VikingPower]

Koto,

for ****'s sakes let it go. Ditch the Bujinkan and focus on Kyokushin. If you want some grappling practice then join a judo or bjj club on the side.

This is free though :eusa_danc

Once I get out of the academy in NC, I'm going to look around at some of the MMA gyms around there. Supposedly there's a lot right there in the NC area.

[Devil]

I like you.

That is difficult to say because I loathe people with low post counts as a general rule.

But your first paragraph about how instructors 'know' what works is dead on. In fact I probably would have to write several paragraphs to say what you did in one.

The last paragraph also struck me. I have mentioned before how many people are absorbing MMA, Vale Tudo, and BJJ techniques - drills - skills - etc and passing them off in thier own style. What is worse is that they usually do a bit of revisionist history stating that they have 'always done this'. Which is bullshit. We went over this on the Speakman Kenpo thread in the video where it starts off in bold titles "THIS IS WHAT WE DO"...which was crap. It should have read: "This Is What We Do Now...after the post-UFC explosion that revealled our gaping holes and piss poor training methods" because we all know just 10 years ago they were playing slap tag with foam gear and calling points for ridgehands and backfists to the top of the head.

I'll be watching you carefully.

I'm sure I'll say something to change your mind soon enough.

[Virus]

You missed the joke koto: take a closer look at your quote:

"...I still get together with some of my old classmates and work out with them once in a while in our own little training group so we can bang, toss, and slam each other..."

[Matsufubu]

Resistance is futile. :new_borgs :new_borgs

This is why Bujinkan guys don't train alive...

[SFGOON]

You missed the joke koto: take a closer look at your quote:

"...I still get together with some of my old classmates and work out with them once in a while in our own little training group so we can bang, toss, and slam each other..."

You're sick!

"Toss" doesn't mean the same thing to Americans, FYI. Here it's a pretty benign word.

[Gezere]

This is why Bujinkan guys don't train alive...

LMAO!!!

"Toss" doesn't mean the same thing to Americans, FYI. Here it's a pretty benign word.

Here you have to add SALAD at make it funny.

[NSLightsOut]

"Toss" doesn't mean the same thing to Americans, FYI. Here it's a pretty benign word.

There's a similar cultural disparity with the slang meaning of the word 'root'.

This is why Aussies find Roots clothing so amusing, and find Roots Kids to be downright hilarious in a sick, twisted way. :icon_twis

[SFGOON]

Do enlighten - and what do you think of Root Beer?

[DerAuslander]

Oo! Ban him again! Ban him again!!!