5/23/2006 4:40pm, #11Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
5/23/2006 4:45pm, #12Originally Posted by Mjelva
5/23/2006 4:53pm, #13
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If they took the more applicable techniques and applied them to sparring, that IS Kung Fu. Kung Fu is a striking art. Thats EXACTLY what it should look like in my opinion. I think movies fucked up what people think most TMA are supposed to look like. The throws come from Shui Jiao, the kicks come from various KF disciplines, how is it NOT kung fu?
5/23/2006 6:22pm, #14The story is well documented. There was a time when kung fu was the only martial art in China - arguably, the only martial art in the world. Like a living, breathing thing, kung fu made its way across Asia. Over a period of thousands of years, kung fu underwent a metamorphosis, transforming into different arts in each of the countries it reached. In Japan, there was karate. Korea had Tae Kwon Do. Even the ancient martial arts of the Khmer people of Cambodia could be traced back to Chinese kung fu origins.
In both Hong Kong and Beijing, the MMA community is mostly composed of Westerners who have a background in Muay Thai and BJJ. Taiwan is probably the only place in the world where San Da is already being used as a base for MMA fighters. This is because Muay thai is almost unknown on the island, and the inhabitants have a long tradition of Chinese kung fu. In a recent competition in Taipei, San Da fighters, with little or no gorund training, won 50% of their fights (these fight had a ten-second ground rule.)
San Da actually has a few advantages over Muay Thai, the main one being the sidekick. In the early days of MMA, the only kick deemed effective were roundhouse kicks. but in the most recent MMA competitions, the sidekick has played a more prominent role. Also, Japanese fighters such as Sakaraba have been using jump kicks and jump knees. Kung Fu has a flying sidekick which would be a real surprise to an unsuspecting opponent.
Additionally, the San Da fighter should practice throwing the sidekick at his opponent's base lef when the opponent is kicking. With the power that a good kung fu kick has, the base leg would buckle or break instantly.
The best way to avoid getting hurt in the clinch is to avoid getting grabbed. In Thailand, a Tui Shou practitioner challenged a number of boxers to grab his head and throw him. Each time the reached at him, he simply redirected their force and threw them to the ground. He kept this up for half an hour, until all of his opponents were exhausted.
You know I heard a story about a karateka who challenged 100 men to punch him in the head. He broke every one of thier hands. It's true. I swear!
Beginning students often see these forms as a chore, a drudgery that they must overcome. but the wise student who analyzes a kung fu form will realize that a single form can be an entire fighting system.
This is a weakness of students, not styles. In theory, a finger spear to a vital organ should end a fight even against the biggest competitor. An ox jaw (the bulbous, bony prominence at the top of the radius and ulna) is much harder than a fist, and is much more likely to cause a knockout when it impacts the opponent's temple.
This guy has a lot of theory. I have one too. He has lost touch with reality.
Fights are now being won by a chop to the head. When a fighter is lying in the guard, he uses the double palm strike to the ears. He uses chops to the clavicles. Fights are being won on spinning back fists. Fighters have discovered that they can't punch a fighter in the head for fear of breaking their own fist. So they have begun using the hammer blow.
Fights won by a chop to the head? ORLY?
Double palm strike to the ears? You mean Sak's double mongolian chop? Marginal if not laughable. Used for entertainment purposes.
And fighters can't punch other fighters for fear of breaking thier fist? ORLY? Funny in just about every fight I see they are still punching. Must be a really small fear. Like the fear of running out of stamps or milk.
Every one of these "new" techniques is an ancient part of kung fu. the original question was, could kung fu be used in MMA? The answer is, it is already being used in MMA. The only question now is, why aren't kung fu practioners using it? The techniques are there. The venues are establishes. Now all that is required is for some brave soul to step into the octagon and shout, "My style is kung fu." If this would happen even once, it would force the martial arts world to realize just how effective kung fu is. and it would probably create some converts.
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5/23/2006 7:55pm, #15
Sophmoric, in both fact and form. I suggest a revision to the article. Replace all of the text with:
Spar more, bitches.Locu5
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5/23/2006 9:28pm, #16
I tried making a long winded commentary but Yrkoon as always beat me to it.
The main thing I noticed is that he's keeping to the same old party line that all Kung-foolsss keep with revisionist and apologetic for the reasons why we haven't yet seen a CMA Mastah win a UFC bout.Notice after he metione the rule in UFC against the use of the elbow to strike .But added that Kung-fu has always had a long arsenal of elbow strikes that no one ha noticed before.[img=http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2364/8026700123940loij9.th.jpg]
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5/23/2006 10:00pm, #17
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My take on this article... not that I know ****.
1. Last time I read, all judo throws and wrestling takedowns are allowed in SanShou. So sprawls would be the norm I would think.
2. Don't know where I've read this (probably in a SanShou forum), but it seems that SanShou practitioners prefer sidekicks over roundhouse kicks because of the takedown/throw factors in the game. Notice that "they prefer sidekicks" =/= "they discard roundhouse kicks".
3. I have a problem with this bullshit... I mean, statement:The story is well documented. There was a time when kung fu was the only martial art in China - arguably, the only martial art in the world.The current rules of UFC no longer allow blows with the point of the elbow.Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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5/23/2006 10:26pm, #19Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
Karate + Aliveness = Kickboxing
Jujitsu + Aliveness = Judo, BJJ
Kempo = Kung Fu, Karate, Jujitsu
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5/23/2006 11:01pm, #20
so basically, one day the author will have an epiphany: "when kung fu guys take up kickboxing, they become much more effective fighters!"
question - is it actually legal to box one's opponent's ears in ufc?
the oxjaw thing (strike with the outside/back of the wrist?) sounds quite impressively dangerous to attempt on any sort of physical target. first time i've really heard of the technique however.
and as much as i love a good sidekick, i know *i'm* certainly not fast enough to use one as a counter to a round kick in progress.