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  1. Odacon is offline
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    We white belts wish that the coloured belts would put up more of a fight. I'm sick of dispatching blue and purple belts at a whim.

    P.S. Trollshido in 5..4..3..
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    Sigh. Okay, it might not have been the best idea, but it was an attempt at a serious thread that would have been okay if people hadn't all taken the opportunity to rip the piss. But hey, ya live and learn. Cheers for those who contributed, sorry for wasting people's time.

    Take care,

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    Dude, you don't get it. We pissed on YOU, not your thread. You don't go around and brag about who you tapped in training.

    If you wanted to make a meaningfull thread you should do it like this:


    "You know I remember a milestone in my training. It was the day I got moved from training with all the scrub white belts to training with the blue belts. My instructor paired me up with one of the weaker blue belts but I was still able to hold my own. I remember a similar day when I got put against my first purple belt. But it was when I really started rolling with the blues that I felt seriously challenged. Every day it was war on the mat. At the time I looked at the belt system like a heirarchy and if I managed to tap someone of a higher belt I took it as THE sign of progress. So when I tapped my first blue belt I could tell it wouldn't be long until I would wear one myself.

    It is strange though. Sometime during my stay at blue belt my perspective changed. No longer were belts 'targets'. Rather they were indicators of skill. And began to see that I progressed faster when I ceased 'trophy hunting' and concentrated on my own personal development. I started this instead of concentrating on tapping the higher belt I concentrated on not being tapped by him. The first time I went 10 minutes with my black belt instructor without being tapped I recognized a milestone. I had improved. I didn't know exactly how it happened or when. I certainly wasn't by counting belts. Sure I had gotten lucky a few times and tapped higher belts, but that was less of an indication of my skill as it was to the testiment that everyone can get caught. But when the blue belts weren't really tapping me out and I was hanging with the purple belts it was very much the same as when I got promoted from rolling with the white belts and going to the blue belts.

    I am certainly glad I didn't fall into the trap of thinking that I was at blue belt level once I tapped a blue belt or even a few blue belts. I think that might have reinforced the belt hunter mentality that I see in newbies today. That would encourage me to snipe at higher belts by missing warm up and technique work, then trying to only roll with the high belts after they are very tired in hopes to catch them and make me feel superior. Or that I am equal to them in some way. Sadly I see these guys who focus on 'tapping' people instead of improving. And I am very thankfull for the time my instructors and seniors put into me that allowed me to avoid that pitfall."


    ...that thread wouldn't have got troll-shido'd... Learn young padiwan. Or you will be going to sent to get your shinebox next time I reply...
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    Posted On:
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    Yrkoon9 levels up and can choose between +3 to intelligence or +5 to charm.
    "No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
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    5/22/2006 6:35pm


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    I suppose I should have expressed myself differently. Nice essay though, but I'm presuming there are quite a few threads that say precisely that, and coming online just to give a long drawn out tale of my progress without asking anyone anything would, I'd have figured, got my flamed or ignored. One of the two. Thankfully, at least this one wasn't ignored. @_@

    Anyway, yes, I'm fully aware that the belt doesn't make the man. I've spent the past few days being liberally raped by various white belts, and even a junior white belt today took me ten minutes of pretty much even sparring because he was aggressive and knew what he was doing. So I'm not presuming that because I'm a blue belt I'm instantly superior to white belts and because I tapped a blue belt I deserve to be one. The first blue belt I ever tapped? I've never tapped him since. He's adapted to my style of game, and there's not much I can do to him now. S'how it is.

    Yes, I measure my ability in terms of how my overall progress has gone. I spend most of every sparring session under side control trying not to get mounted or tapped out. And if I can do that with a serious long-term student who I know is trying (which is sometimes hard to tell, but that's a different discussion), then yeah, I feel good about myself. But sometimes it's the ability to tap someone that you use as a measure of accomplishment. If there's people you couldn't even threaten who you can keep in your guard, control, and eventually tap, then that's progress, no? Just keeping someone in your guard requires technique, but there's all sorts of reasons why you might be able to do that when you couldn't before. Maybe a different grip, maybe he's just trying something different, you don't know.

    In short, it's when you go for the submissions when you can tell if someone's giving it there all, because people who you've been controlling will suddenly move like a greasy weasel and be out before you can blink, as soon as you threaten them.

    Anyway, that seems like quite a lot of defending myself, and not enough of defending my thread.

    The thread was supposed to be an opportunity for people to say how long it took to get to a standard when you could potentially tap certain belts. This provides some kind of measurement of the level of crap people are talking when they say they being told to relax when they sparred suddenly made them able to tap out several blue belts the day afterwards, when they've only been able to train for a few weeks.

    By no means do I claim to be a great blue belt, or even a good blue belt. There are guys in the same belt who've been training four or five times longer than me and would totally destroy me, and I'm not saying I deserve to be able to hang with them because I wear the same belt. I was just asking a question that hadn't been asked before. Guess I know why now.

    Again, I'm sorry, but I was attempting to make a serious point.

    Badly, it seems. @_@

    Take care,

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    The problem with the belt hunter mentality and boasting about who you tap is that it forces you to "fight" instead of "learn" when you're at training. If I want to practice my escapes or try new things I want to do so without the lower belt I'm grappling jumping up and thinking "I tapped a black belt". Which means I have to pick my training partners carefully because some people think the way you do, so I make sure I smash them and give them no chance :)
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    Ahhh the young padiwan is still obsessed with taps. Sit back and let me tell you a story:

    Two monks were in the countryside travelling; a wise old monk and a young impetuous one. They came upon a wide steam. It was deep but not so deep that the monks could not cross. However there were two women on the bank of the stream who were not nearly as strong and could not cross.

    Without a word the wise old monk carried both the women on his shoulders across the stream.

    Time passed and the young monk could barely contain himself. Many miles after they crossed the stream the young monk finally blurted out, "How could you touch those women? We are sworn never to speak to a woman, much less carry them! Have you forgotten our vows?"

    Without even missing a stride the old monk replied, "Are you still carrying those women around? I left them back at the stream hours ago."
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    I've been lurking around the isle of montecristo waiting to be tapped by knife fighting smugglers.
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    Posted On:
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    Yrkoon...could you please elaborate how your token old chinese guy story has any bearing on this thread? I mean I know you've just been itching to post that, but the moral of the story seems to be more along the lines of "don't hold a grudge" or "live in the present, not the past" rather than "don't get caught up in ego-driven nonesense at the expense of your personal growth" which would have been suitable for this thread....

    ...your attempts at sounding wise have scored 0 points so far this round.
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    I dub this thread mega gay. This thread is so gay that BJJ guys think it's gay. Since BJJ is the gayest sport ever it is deemed the gayest thread in the universe. Any further posts makes you gayest of the gay and you will given the title "mighty licker of the anus apeture" and will go down in history as a cigarette butt.
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