5/19/2006 1:55am, #11
Well in response to Yrkoon's rant, I'll say that I like the guys in the dojo so I won't be balistically doing any omopolatas.
Sometimes, I get the best refs that will let ground fight go because they understand position, sweeps and other **** like that. Other times, I get the fucking ref that doesn't know what a triangle choke from guard looks like.
5/19/2006 2:40am, #12
I was going to say this:
Originally Posted by Yrkoon9Originally Posted by Yrkoon9I went for an Ude Garami but the guy straightened his arm. So there I was pinning the guy and had him in an armlock with the fulcrum RIGHT UNDER HIS ELBOW and the referee called matte.
But what I really wanted to say more than anything else wasOriginally Posted by Yrkoon9
Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
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5/19/2006 6:39am, #13
Um, this discussion's been had a few times over on the judoinfo.com forums. One link:
General consensus seems to be that it's legal in the same sense that ude garami is legal - everyone tacitly accepts that it attacks the elbow even when it really attacks the shoulder - but people who're unfamiliar with it sometimes quibble that it's attacking the shoulder. If Ludwig Paischer's getting away with it as per Joshua Resnick's claims, then it's probably widely accepted at high level.
And Yrkoon9 - it's not the judo rules so much, it's the fucking referees. The rules leave it up to them to determine progress on the ground, so a clueless ref really can stand you out of a pin/armlock.
5/19/2006 9:16am, #14
Omoplata is far from my strongest submission, but I love going to it if I get stacked on an armbar.
I feel like such a pimp, every fucking time.
5/19/2006 4:08pm, #15Originally Posted by Sophist
5/19/2006 4:17pm, #16
How about we agree it's both?More human than human is our motto.
5/20/2006 3:31pm, #17
I can understand the frustration somewhat with the current state of ne-waza in judo competitions. However you know that going in for the most part. Certain refs will be better or worse for it.
You have to go by the limits of the tournament you sign up for. Judo tournament, emphasis on throwing, limited techniques in ne-waza and very limited time to apply anything in ne-waza. That's it. I had a similar frustration in competing in BJJ tournaments where you would be disqualified for throwing your opponent "too hard". How hard was too hard? In my experience anything that cause your opponents feet to leave the mat and him to land with any kind of force. I got warned like a bazillion times until I realized that wasn't what I was supposed to be doing since I wasn't in a judo match.
Yes it sucks when you can''t use potent weapons in your grappling arsenal. If you can't handle that, don't go into tournaments in other sports. Or if you do, train for those rules.
5/20/2006 7:59pm, #18
Never heard of a BJJ tournament that disqualifies you throwing your opponent too hard. What was the name of this tournament? Cuz I plant dudes in BJJ tournies all the time.
Or are you just making this up to poise a counterpoint?
Edit: synatax was so bad that my 3rd grade English teacher ought to beat me about the head and neck with a textbook.
Editted a second time because I even fucked up the edit. It is entirely possible that being thrown too hard has caused brain damage.
Editted a THIRD time because adverbs are hard.
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5/20/2006 8:02pm, #19Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
Judobum: You were the one that said you were on the Canadian National Judo team, right? You allude to BJJ experience in your post above Yrkoon9's, also. Just out of simple curiousity, do you train BJJ or any type of grappling besides Judo regularly?"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
5/21/2006 6:35am, #20Originally Posted by Garbanzo Bean
I haven't done any other type of grappling besides judo on a regular basis, though I've visited a couple grappling / BJJ clubs a few times. It's been nice to see the level develop, initially they were pretty much a joke but now they are much better and more competitive. I'm looking to do some BJJ once I can find a decent club around and get a bit more consistant on the mats than I've been over the last year.
I didn't mean to imply ALL BJJ tournaments had the "don't throw hard" rule, I was just kind of trying to make a point. When you enter a competition you're stuck abiding by the rules of that competition. If you find the rules of a particular comp too limiting, it's probably not the sport for you.