Why did Frank Hargrove leave the Okinawan Shorin-Ryu ShorinKan Karate Kobudo?

**ltncarr** · Posted On: 2/23/2009 9:10pm

Originally Posted by nynees

REGENT UNIVERSITY

Hargrove may have received a degree from Regent University, but it was not a PhD.

**HANCHI 10** · Posted On: 2/28/2009 3:46pm

Originally Posted by ihatemcdojos

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Your the one that should not be wearing the PATCH! Since you have no respect for a KARATE ICON that has more knowledge of KARATE in his little finger than you do in your entire disrespectfull existance. Go ahead and hurl insults and accusations to justifie your lack of respect.
Kyoshi Hargrove is an OLD MAN and He is still enough of a KARATE KA to easily defeat you!

**HANCHI 10** · Posted On: 2/28/2009 4:14pm

Originally Posted by Oldiebear

Almost every senior Kobatashi Shorin Ryu Black Belt on this continent was either affiliated with or trained under Hargrove at one time or another. Most broke away for their own reasons, including inflated ego. I have been training for over twenty-five years and have met many instructors, including the'new' heads of Shorin Ryu Shorin Kan, Doug Perry and Pat Hailey, but have never met a person more knowledgeable or willing to teach than Hargrove. Whether or not he is still affiliate with Nakazato Sensei is not relavent. He should have gone independent years ago and many people told him so. You want to learn great Martial Arts go to Hargrove, thats what counts. I am Roku Dan Renshi. Contrary to above postings, most Okinawan and Japanese styles use titles for senior Black Belts.

AMEN BROTHER for some one with some TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF KYOSHI HARGROVE HE IS A TRUE KARATE ICON!

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 2/28/2009 5:23pm

Originally Posted by HANCHI 10

AMEN BROTHER for some one with some TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF KYOSHI HARGROVE HE IS A TRUE KARATE ICON!

.........and a deadbeat dad that's a convicted/reaffirmed on appeal felon.

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 2/28/2009 10:14pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

.........and a deadbeat dad that's a convicted/reaffirmed on appeal felon.

dsimon writes:

I know this is not the forum for it but I would like to share a technique. Ok Uke comes with a side attack... Torre picks up checkbook does not write check for child support... faces Uke in Zen Kibadachi.

**ciscodog** · Posted On: 3/02/2009 11:26am

Icons......what about Yamashita Sensei or Sensei Dan Schroeder? Just curious why I dont see their names ever mentioned.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 3/02/2009 12:10pm

Well that because someone is busy building a strawman. Those two would completely destroy it.

Kind of like the dismissal of the OJ point.

OJ was a sports Icon (matter of opinion) who is a convicted felon.
Hargrove was a Karate Icon (matter of opinion) who is a convicted felon.

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 3/02/2009 1:34pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Well that because someone is busy building a strawman. Those two would completely destroy it.

Kind of like the dismissal of the OJ point.

OJ was a sports Icon (matter of opinion) who is a convicted felon.
Hargrove was a Karate Icon (matter of opinion) who is a convicted felon.

Hargroves is a karate icon. And in the complicated way that life plays out perhaps some things are excusable.... other things are definitely not excusable. Thats my opinion.

Holding onto your **** in bankrupcay is something that white guys with big cars and good lawyers do all the time and it is often considered gamesmanship.... Not taking care of your kids including paying for their expenses to the best of your ability is a crime against humanity.

Thats just my opinion which I am giving to clear up any confusion regarding my point of view of this situation.

**Tom .C** · Posted On: 3/02/2009 1:46pm

Originally Posted by HANCHI 10

Your the one that should not be wearing the PATCH! Since you have no respect for a KARATE ICON that has more knowledge of KARATE in his little finger than you do in your entire disrespectfull existance. Go ahead and hurl insults and accusations to justifie your lack of respect.
Kyoshi Hargrove is an OLD MAN and He is still enough of a KARATE KA to easily defeat you!

Do you think he could fool people by posting under a different name?

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 3/02/2009 1:47pm

Originally Posted by Dsimon3387

Hargroves is a karate icon. And in the complicated way that life plays out perhaps some things are excusable.... other things are definitely not excusable. Thats my opinion.

Holding onto your **** in bankrupcay is something that white guys with big cars and good lawyers do all the time and it is often considered gamesmanship.... Not taking care of your kids including paying for their expenses to the best of your ability is a crime against humanity.

Thats just my opinion which I am giving to clear up any confusion regarding my point of view of this situation.

Get over race. Get over the Icon status. White guys? Black Guys do it to. As do Asians, Spaniards, Italians etc etc etc etc.

Now before, as you do, get into statistics that isn't the point. A lower based white guy, doing the same thing , will get busted. I have seen it happen and I bet Sam could find you cases.

Learn to deal with the fact he isn't an Icon to everyone.