I can only hope this is BS

**konosan** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 11:29am

Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey

Who the **** carries a LIVE blade in training practice ? That is begging for a fatal/severe training accident . I go everywhere with a blade including when I go to practice/train .. but when it's time to roll , spar , drill , workout , etc . the blade is put somewhere safe .

Personally i don't go anywhere without at least 2 blades on me. AT the dojo, at work or at home i always have a blade on me somewhere.

I really don't understand why some of you are upset with it, it seems perfectlly fine to me that the lady had a blade and used it when some asshole was getting out of hand.

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:11pm

You wouldn't get a little bit upset if you were sparring somebody in class and they pulled a knife on you?

**Gezere** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:12pm

Originally Posted by konosan

Personally i don't go anywhere without at least 2 blades on me. AT the dojo, at work or at home i always have a blade on me somewhere.

I really don't understand why some of you are upset with it, it seems perfectlly fine to me that the lady had a blade and used it when some asshole was getting out of hand.

Then you are obviously missing some very important points.

1) If he was watching why did he LET it get out of hand. And what motivation did the guy who was 3x the size of a woman have to actually try and break her arm for real? Put serious thought into that. At a seminar, thats not his school, guy decides to go apeshit on a woman? Now this scenario in a nightclub, bar, etc yeah I can see that.

2) Pulling a live blade in TRAINING is a NO NO. We train with knives too but if someone pulled a live blade or had one while training they'ed get their ass reamed because that is the smart safe thing to do. I carry a blade all the time myself but not while training if you feel the need to be armed at that time then you are mental.

3) If this guy was such an ass why would he be allowed to STAY!?!?! Again seriousl thought needs to be put into this. Guy goes apeshit on your wife, she pulls a knife, and the guys is allowed to stay? :dodgy:

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:20pm

It reminds me of the old Sammy Franco story. Franco's student was getting beaten fair and square by a groundfighting guy, Sammy walks over and stomps on GFguys head. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIKE ON DA STREET, BITCH!

The fact that his student was getting beaten by a filthy sportfighter didn't have anything to do with it. No sirree.

**Gezere** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:20pm

Originally Posted by jnp

What I find amusing is how in the last 5-10 years, all these stories told by guys like Mr. Seago and Dan Webre(sp?) always involve a BJJ or MMA person getting his ass kicked in one way or another. Before the MMA era , it was always a bodybuilder or a hardened criminal or some lonely homeless guy desperate for ice cream.

Nowadays only steroidal MMA thugs pick fights with the Dale Seago's and Phil Elmore's of the MA community. What a coincidence.

LOL You're are so right.

In the 80s the bodybuilders were the brunt of such storied nevermind the fact that majority of them didn't think they were fighters. (Well Mr Utah did and we saw what happened to him) Now its the nameless BJJ or MMA guy who can only fight in the ring because the don't know how deadly d@ sTr33t is!

Sadly its not just guys like Phil and Dale. I was teaching an combatives class on Tuesday and when showing Armbar form Rear Mount. When I got the question, "Yeah but what if th guy bites your leg?" I said, "Break his arm." He said, "But he bites your leg." And I said "But you BREAK his arm. Look he bites you but this is a FIGHT. And the funny thing about a fight is you have to FIGHT!* And Biting hurts, hell he may take a chunk of flesh but you can still break his arm which greatly reduces his combat effectiness. You can still fight much better with a chunk out your leg than you can with a broken arm." He was going to say something else and I said," Do you want to put this to a test? I armbar you and you bite away, k?" He didn't want to continue. Which is the difference in the training methodology. Theory vs Testing.

*Not my line but I got it from the guys at the Combatives school at Benning.

**Ke?poFist** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:35pm

Originally Posted by LORD ASIA

LOL You're are so right.

In the 80s the bodybuilders were the brunt of such storied nevermind the fact that majority of them didn't think they were fighters. (Well Mr Utah did and we saw what happened to him) Now its the nameless BJJ or MMA guy who can only fight in the ring because the don't know how deadly d@ sTr33t is!

Sadly its not just guys like Phil and Dale. I was teaching an combatives class on Tuesday and when showing Armbar form Rear Mount. When I got the question, "Yeah but what if th guy bites your leg?" I said, "Break his arm." He said, "But he bites your leg." And I said "But you BREAK his arm. Look he bites you but this is a FIGHT. And the funny thing about a fight is you have to FIGHT!* And Biting hurts, hell he may take a chunk of flesh but you can still break his arm which greatly reduces his combat effectiness. You can still fight much better with a chunk out your leg than you can with a broken arm." He was going to say something else and I said," Do you want to put this to a test? I armbar you and you bite away, k?" He didn't want to continue. Which is the difference in the training methodology. Theory vs Testing.

*Not my line but I got it from the guys at the Combatives school at Benning.

I prefer to just choke from the rear mount....or hit pressure point a46Q at the base of the skull with a well placed knuckle strike that will cause his liver to shut down while giving him a seizure.

**1bad65** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:37pm

That's a cool story Asia. Awhile back I saw an interview with a soldier who took bjj and was talking to a reporter about the 'new' h2h vs the 'old' h2h the military did. He said a difference was in the old days when shown a technique if you asked if it really worked the instructor would say 'yes my master told me it works ' well how does he know it worked? 'well his master told him it works' and on and on. Now when shown a technique and you ask how it works the instructor will say it works. How do you know? 'Well my teacher Royce Gracie broke a guys arm with it. It works'

**BoardHitBack** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 12:42pm

Originally Posted by 1bad65

That's a cool story Asia. Awhile back I saw an interview with a soldier who took bjj and was talking to a reporter about the 'new' h2h vs the 'old' h2h the military did. He said a difference was in the old days when shown a technique if you asked if it really worked the instructor would say 'yes my master told me it works ' well how does he know it worked? 'well his master told him it works' and on and on. Now when shown a technique and you ask how it works the instructor will say it works. How do you know? 'Well my teacher Royce Gracie broke a guys arm with it. It works'

Hah! we had a thread on that video here- it was awesome. Kungfools waded in and tried to explain what it was to be a ranger to some rangers.

Somehow it got deleted. Damn

**tellner** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 1:17pm

There are fads and fashions in military H2H just like there are in everything else. In 1900 it was boxing. Later it was Judo. Then it was Fairbairn-style striking and standup grappling. Now it's submission wrestling. Some day it will be something else.

In a lot of ways it makes sense to teach the submission wrestling to troops. If they want to hurt someone they have guns. If they are getting up close and personal it's probably because they don't want to break him but take him prisoner.

A friend of mine and student of my Silat teacher is in the 75th Rangers based out of Fort Lewis. For what it's worth (not much) he's held his own in barracks fights with a combination of his Silat and being a six foot something body Nazi. But when he got is orders Guru Plinck didn't teach him striking or wrestling or mystical secrets from the exotic Orient. He gave him intensive work in how to use a knife.

**BoardHitBack** · Posted On: 5/18/2006 1:23pm

Originally Posted by tellner

There are fads and fashions in military H2H just like there are in everything else. In 1900 it was boxing. Later it was Judo. Then it was Fairbairn-style striking and standup grappling. Now it's submission wrestling. Some day it will be something else.

In a lot of ways it makes sense to teach the submission wrestling to troops. If they want to hurt someone they have guns. If they are getting up close and personal it's probably because they don't want to break him but take him prisoner.

Your insight is surely appreicated.

Just not by someone who was already aware of it.