Thread: F-in' ego in grappling arts
5/17/2006 2:56pm, #81Originally Posted by Camus
Maybe I should amend my statement to this: At this point and time in my training, I don't particularly find "flowing" drills to be productive. If I'm going to work combinations and "lockflows," I prefer to work them on people that are resisting me . . . so basically, white belts.
Look for a thread on this topic--as well as a brand new spin on flowing--in DHS sometime soon.
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5/17/2006 3:04pm, #82
Tell me Emevas. When he started going harder, why didn't you just let him tap you. Why didn't you give no resistance, turn into a complete ragdoll and see what he did when you didn't even move and just tapped out when he got any sub?
Could it be YOUR ego?More human than human is our motto.
5/17/2006 3:05pm, #83Originally Posted by jnp
Originally Posted by Camus
Now this does not mean you should allow a sloppy guard pass to go, or allow a shitty set-up for a juji gatame to go undefended just because you are rolling at less than 100%, this is where the bad habits can be reinforced.
Many times when rolling with some with less training I'll stop in the middle and ask them what they think they have or where do they want to go and why do they think that is the best option. I do the same when I roll with those above me, meaning, I ask them where they think my game should improve or if I am having difficulty ask them what they would do, then I drill, drill, drill, and drill.
I'm willing to bet everyone who regularly rolls has a story of some newb-fucktard spazzing at class. I've got plenty and everyone else’s suggestions so far on how to deal, or not deal, with the grappltards is pretty standard fair and I agree. For the most part the grappltard falls into one of two eventualities, 1) they get mercilessly beat by upper ranks for not cooperating and they never come back due to hurt body and hurt ego, or 2) they learn and eventually decide they have nothing to prove and want to learn the art.
5/17/2006 3:13pm, #84
Originally Posted by Locu5
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This happens ALL THE TIME at my college club. Usually, I'll try explaining it to them but when I have to keep telling them to slow down I have them do it to me. And I end up having to jab them in the stomach or ribs to show them that their body isn't in the right spot or just stand there as they continually try to lock my wrists with all the strength they have but it doesn't work because my wrists are very well conditioned and they aren't even close to doing the technique correctly. Then I'll show them the way that it's supposed to be done using very little strength and all technique and they always drop very quickly.
But most of the guys that act like this rarely come to more than one class.
5/17/2006 3:26pm, #85Originally Posted by fanatical
Ummm...where at all did you ever read me saying I didn't do exactly this? That's the whole reason I'm angry dude, hence this rant.
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You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69
5/17/2006 4:12pm, #86
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- Seattle (Ballard), WA
When I go easy, or slow, or whatever you want to call it, I consciously try to focus on technique, and expect my partner to do the same. Explosive speed/power moves should be kept to a minimum. Speed and strength can cover up some sloppy technique when you are learning, and by minimizing these aspects of your game, you can focus on how clean you can execute. This is what low-intensity rolling is all about.
I'm 220 pounds, and am fairly athletic. If my partner is 160, it's pretty obvious that I've got the strength advantage. What am I going to accomplish by just being a dick and speeding up/muscling things? Not a damn thing. I'll get away with some sloppy work just due to the size difference if I'm being Mr. Aggro while we roll.
Will my technique improve because of this? No. Will my partner's technique improve? Probably not. He'll just have to speed up too. Now where will we be at? We'd be going all-out, and would have to make athleticism be more of a factor than technique. Will this help us with our techniques, especially if we are just trying to learn the mechanics, and figure out where they fit into our game? Nope.
If you try to keep it slow, and no one speeds up, you can really see flaws in your game, and have the time to work on them. It is a controlled pace that is conducive to analysis and experimentation, with little risk of injury.
Then, once you are warm and have worked on the stuff that you needed to figure out, by all means try the **** under pressure.
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5/17/2006 4:22pm, #87
It's BJJ not aikido. I personally like it when my opponent goes apeshit on me, because it forces me to either be better or lose. It teaches you to never underestimate anyone. It's worth the beating.:google:
Number of bottles of beer downed by me and my girlfriend within a half hour while playing the Channel 7 "how many times will they say 'snow' game" during the "Blizzard of '06": 3.5 each.
5/17/2006 4:43pm, #88
Like I said, I'm fine when it's the designated time and place for it, but when the coach specifically says "Only 20%" and it's just a warm-up, it's unnecessary macho bullshit."Emevas,
You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69
5/17/2006 4:58pm, #89Originally Posted by Camus
5/17/2006 8:26pm, #90Originally Posted by Meager"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal