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  1. Fearless Ukemi is offline
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     Style: JJ of the B variety

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    Ugh...you aren't getting me. I'm not complaining about tapping out, I'm talking about how I tap out when warming up rather than go apeshit and try to defend it till the bitter end when we're only supposed to be going 20%. I know how to defend an armbar =P

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     Style: Submission Grappling

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    Some people just donít seem able to grasp the concept of ďgoing easyĒ. For them itís 100% or nothing. Sometimes (most of the time actually) even when they think that they are going easy theyíre still going ape **** and donít realize it. There is no excuse for the more experienced students to not be able to understand the concept of going less than 100%. For many/most of the less experienced students they often arenít trying to be a dick about it they just donít know any better or havenít yet acquired the necessary skills, ability to relax etc. You canít let it bother you too much itís just one of those things that you have to learn to deal with.
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     Style: Judo, BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno
    Now he's coughing and ****, and I'm thinking "Why the **** didn't you just tap?" But, I play it cool, and reach out to shake hands, and the dude just lays down, and starts pounding the floor, saying "****!" Like it's the end of the world for him to tap to a training partner.
    Dude, snap. But my story's better, though more tangential to the topic.

    It involves a ninja.

    This must have been about... what, three months ago, now? I wander into BJJ and start warming up, and there's a new guy there in a black gi, and a white belt. Now, I don't tend to find the problem mentioned in this thread occurring in our warmups, since most of the time the warmup is calisthenics, and when I am rolling lightly with someone to warm up instead, generally they're clueful and do the flowing thing better than I do. But I digress.

    We warm up, we do some technique work, and then we roll. And luck is on my side. I get the ninja. He's a fairly big ninja, must've had at least ten kilos on me, and he's pretty well toned for a ninja. I'm expecting a lot of muscling things at this point, and well, when we begin I'm not disappointed. He has claimed some ground knowledge from his ninjitsu, but there's not a lot of evidence showing, and pretty soon I've prised out his arm for a juji-gatame.

    He screams. It would be unfair to say he screamed like a little girl, or a banshee; it was a very manly scream. It was also a very unexpected scream. I think for one moment that I've done something gut-wrenchingly horrible to his arm, but it looks okay. I ease up a lot, give him his arm back, and say "Sorry, I really didn't mean to hurt you."

    His response was something along the lines of, "You didn't hurt me. I was just so frustrated..." Well, it's a relief I haven't actually broken his arm, so I let it go and roll again.

    And the motherfucking ninja screams every time he should tap. He screams through armbars, he screams in the omoplata, and he screams in the triangle choke. (Okay, I exaggerate a little: a lot of it resembled hoarse yelling more than screaming, but I claim poetic licence). And every time I let him up and ask if everything's okay, it seems that nothing but his ego's been damaged.

    After we've rolled, he claims that his ninjitsu groundwork is different - it's more oriented around getting a good position to strike from. (I unaccountably fail to ask him about the striking potential to be found under mount, which seems to be one of his favourite positions to gravitate towards). Sadly, he doesn't furnish us with details.

    Nor does he turn up, ever again. I'm still waiting for him to come back. I've mostly made the mental adjustments necessary for me to treat a despairing wail with the same calm aplomb I accept a tap. Is it to be all for naught? Has he forgotten us? Or will I be walking alone, late at night, when a shuriken whizzes out of the blackness and buries itself in a nearby tree...

    Only time will tell.
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     Style: Aikido/Judo/BJJ/Naginata

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    Believe it or not guys, but this happens in Aikido A LOT too.
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    5/17/2006 12:06pm


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    There's nothing like making a ninja scream, huh Sophist?

    Very nice.
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     Style: judo, wrestling, bjj

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    On the other hand, a little red-blooded aggression would probably improve aikido immeasurably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophist
    Nor does he turn up, ever again. I'm still waiting for him to come back. I've mostly made the mental adjustments necessary for me to treat a despairing wail with the same calm aplomb I accept a tap. Is it to be all for naught? Has he forgotten us? Or will I be walking alone, late at night, when a shuriken whizzes out of the blackness and buries itself in a nearby tree...

    Only time will tell.
    BWHAHAHAHAHAAAA. LMAO.

    There was this guy once at the BJJ place I used to go, Brazilian dude, who I'm going to call Mini-Hulk, and got paired up with him once. He was a n00b like me but a big heavier. Anyways, we are told to drill triangles, and for the love of God, the punk almost ripped my arm out its shoulder socket. Mini-Hulk couldn't even get the triangle right because he would all balls out in a frenzy of movement as in trying to prove something.

    And I couldn't do a thing with the drill when it was my turn since he would resist 100%. It was supposed to be a drill, not a sparring session. I had to endure that frustrating, wastefull, uselesses **** for like 15 minutes until I got switched with another dude. With the other dude, the drill was much more usefull as we were both asking questions and going over the technique... while in the meantime, Mini-Hulk was doing the same ****, going all balls out, trying to rip his partner's arm without even stopping to see if he was getting the triangle right.

    What a fucktard. :seppuku:
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    5/17/2006 12:10pm


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Yeah, it really is weird with grappling like this. For striking, if someone is going too hard during a light training session, you can just knock the **** out of them, then ask Do you really want to keep going this hard?, and they seem to learn the error of their ways pretty quick. But some noob grapplers just seem to be more thick-headed for some reason.
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    What are aikido warmups like?
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    5/17/2006 12:16pm


     Style: JJ of the B variety

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    Leg stretching, wrist stretching, movement exercises, and rolls.

    In summary:
    BJJ warmup > Aikido warmup.
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