Supplementation Ethics

**CNagy** · Posted On: 5/14/2006 8:01pm

It's not about being equal. If everything were equal, chance would determine the best. Fairness when it comes to games lays soley in the rules of the game itself, such that each competitor abides by the same measures of ability. In football, for example, this means a field that is generally the same on both halves, two full teams, and the same rules abided by each.

Supplements are merely one aspect, and the importance of it can vary. An extremely gifted player with a bad trainer could arguably perform worse than an average player with a great trainer. There are alot of factors that lead people to be unequal, supplementation just seems to be the easiest one to single out and test for.

Edit: By my reasoning, different weight classes (when they exist) are completely different competitions. If you won a tournament in the heavyweight division, did you not place first at the tournament? Those other guys that placed first did so in different events. Sometimes, in the interest of having a competition despite few participants, weight classes will be merged. Doesn't seem to have fairness in mind.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 5/14/2006 8:15pm

Originally Posted by CNagy

It's not about being equal. If everything were equal, chance would determine the best. Fairness when it comes to games lays soley in the rules of the game itself, such that each competitor abides by the same measures of ability. In football, for example, this means a field that is generally the same on both halves, two full teams, and the same rules abided by each.

And what it rules prohibited supplements? Then it's about who's best "given certain circumstances", after all.

I mean, what if I walked into the ring for a boxing match with a magnum?

**CNagy** · Posted On: 5/14/2006 8:17pm

I've never heard of the rules of any game forbidding supplements; I've heard of the organizations that run said games laying a ban on it.

The analogy of boxing with a magnum is too ridiculous to reply to, so I shall simply be amused by assuming you meant a large condom. In which case, you would not be using regulation gloves.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 5/14/2006 8:24pm

Originally Posted by CNagy

I've never heard of the rules of any game forbidding supplements; I've heard of the organizations that run said games laying a ban on it.

The organizations have a say in the rules. sometimes they even change them, so it is not so easy to draw a line between what are the "proper" rules of a game and what are the "regulations" impossed by said organizations.

Originally Posted by CNagy

The analogy of boxing with a magnum is too ridiculous to reply to, so I shall simply be amused by assuming you meant a large condom. In which case, you would not be using regulation gloves.

Of course I only use large condoms!

**Nid** · Posted On: 5/15/2006 9:29am

Pro sports is entertainment. Juicing should be encouraged....no...REQUIRED. Everyone likes fights, long balls, heinous injuries, and early deaths.

When I'm an old decrepit bastard, I will certainly give the nod to the juice to regain my strength and mobility.

Having said that...

Rookie, hot-head, ****-stick wanna-be SWAT fuckers like Equipoise here...? He should really work on his VERBAL dead-lift. It benefits everyone much more than crossing one's arms menacingly...most of the time.

Why? Because I said so.

:O)

:OP

**Apostol** · Posted On: 5/15/2006 5:05pm

I never understood the whole baseball steroid issue. The majority of those guys that have been criticized for roids look like **** - their physiques aren't anything unachievable without roids. So how do they have some magical advantage?

**VikingPower** · Posted On: 5/15/2006 5:19pm

Originally Posted by CNagy

I'd like to bring up that point that these supplements are legal practically everywhere but here (USA,) the fact that taking them doesn't mean you don't have to work hard (you simply get to work as hard as someone else while getting better gains,) and that serious side-effects (just as with OTC drugs) come predominantly with overdosage.

I think France still has a ban on creatine. They're not legal everywhere.

**Tom Kagan** · Posted On: 5/15/2006 5:19pm

Originally Posted by Kein Haar

Pro sports is entertainment. Juicing should be encouraged....no...REQUIRED. Everyone likes fights, long balls, heinous injuries, and early deaths.

When I'm an old decrepit bastard, I will certainly give the nod to the juice to regain my strength and mobility.

Having said that...

Rookie, hot-head, ****-stick wanna-be SWAT fuckers like Equipoise here...? He should really work on his VERBAL dead-lift. It benefits everyone much more than crossing one's arms menacingly...most of the time.

Why? Because I said so.

:O)

:OP

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**Equipoise** · Posted On: 5/15/2006 5:48pm

Originally Posted by Kein Haar

Pro sports is entertainment. Juicing should be encouraged....no...REQUIRED. Everyone likes fights, long balls, heinous injuries, and early deaths.

When I'm an old decrepit bastard, I will certainly give the nod to the juice to regain my strength and mobility.

Having said that...

Rookie, hot-head, ****-stick wanna-be SWAT fuckers like Equipoise here...? He should really work on his VERBAL dead-lift. It benefits everyone much more than crossing one's arms menacingly...most of the time.

Why? Because I said so.

:O)

:OP

Now how'd you know I wanted to do SWAT? =-) I guess you're well suited in your corporal/detective position. What in the **** is verbal deadlift anyway? If you're going to try and break my balls you should at least do it with comments that make sense you old, donut munching, wanna-be sargeant smegma. Don't be mad that I can outshoot you, blind folded.

Anyway, supplementation, basic, hormonal or AAS based doesn't instantly give someone awesome strength and huge muscles, etc. The hardwork is still necessary to make gains. Along with that, how can one say that it's cheating. That makes no sense at all. So if someone has a new training method and they consequently can get much stronger, larger and faster than others by using it, are they cheating? Where does the line with someone like No2 and Winstrol, etc. start? The side effect argument makes little sense as it's irrelevant. Many persons don't show side effects with regulated doseages of AAS. Side effects are predominately a side effect of improper cycles, pct and overdosing due to stupidity. Let's not forget there has NEVER been a case of someone dying from steroid usage. Side effects can also be garnered from legal supplements as well. Creatine can and does turn into Creatinine. Ketosis of the kidneys happens unless proper amounts of water are taken with things such as No2 or Creatine. High doesages of protein also cause ketosis, kidney stones, lethargy etc.

We can use the U.S. military forces as a comparison versus the Iraqi forces during Desert Storm. We used gunships to take out their tanks, etc. The Iraqi's said this was unfair because we didn't fight on the ground. What made it unfair? Our advanced technology? So by this reasoning should we not use advanced medications to make people well or what about using technologically superior equipment in any competition? It's a load of hypocritical bullshit to say it's not fair. It's also a bunch of whining. Anyone who says steroids aren't safe, are A. not knowledgeable in the field and B. not realizing the lifting huge and heavy pieces of metal or slamming into people at full sprints isn't exactly safe either.