Bas Rutten uses open hand striking?

**CNagy** · Posted On: 5/08/2006 8:16am

Palm strikes lose on range, but I prefer them in some cases, specifically palm-hooks. It's alot easier to wreck someone's day with a palm-hook to the jaw, or at least I'm more accurate with it than attempting to land a solid hook to one of the two knockout points on the jaw.

**MaverickZ** · Posted On: 5/08/2006 9:58am

you'd be surprised at how effective the bitch slap is at getting you ho to cough up the green. that bitch will know better next time.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 5/08/2006 10:07am

Originally Posted by meng_mao

you can hit open palm in the UFC. It's just not done because you can wear gloves.

Watch Pride much? In the early UFC's Tank Abbot requested permission to wear a 'bag glove' (which is what it was called at the time) the rationale being that since Tank liked to punch he needed to save his hand for later fights. I'm pretty sure they weren't allowing guys to tape up boxer style like today.

As has been pointed out before a palm strike can actually do a lot of damage, as Arona how he feels after losing to Shogun (yes that was a hammer fist but the principle applies). There is a Felony Fights out right now where a street fighter fights an MMA guy (if you've been to the Tapout site he's the guy with the American flag style Tapout across his abs) and the MMA guy throws open palm strikes.

In MMA I prefer to throw open palm as my hand is less padded there in relation to my knuckles. I know its not a big thing but when you fight a guy with a concrete head any little bit counts.

TKD:ninja7:

**wagamichi** · Posted On: 5/08/2006 10:26am

From a traditional Karate point of veiw,

The kata that are open hand or have a majority of open hand techniques are "fighting kata" or, have techniques in them to be used in a fight. The closed hand kata like the pinan for example, are exercise kata to train range of motion and mucsle groups for the later kata. The pinanns are an exersise drill for Kusanku.

I was told this by Nishime. He really opened up about the truth and what they, The Okinawans did not teach in the 50s-80s.

He was laughing about it one day when some dillman people were going on and on about the hidden techniques in some kata. he said there were no techniques. just a drill to keep your elbows in while turning.

He also said that for the most part, punching with a closed fist did not come into vouge untill the late 1800's when karate was going into its "Do" phase. The jitsu was done with open hands.

I do iron plam, and I taught a freind of mine, Aaron sullivan, owner of Integrated fighting in Indy (Chris Lytle, Jason Godsey are a few to come out of here. I only put this in to show that thie is not some back yard ****.) Aaron used Iron palm in the cage in Kokomo indiana in 2001.

To my knowlage he is the only person to ever use the Iron palm in the cage.
It went like this, He got a crossmount, and started slaping Jeremy Brown in the face, the crowd went silent because it looked like nothing. Jeremy went nighty night from the slaps. he was also the only person out of 15 fights that the doctors got worried about and sent to the E.R.

Does this prove open hand is better than the fist? i dont know. jeremy was siptting out violet purple blood from his mouth and nose.

There are a lot of arts that have or use the open hand. I think if you train it right, the open hand may hit deeper, "not harder" than a fist.

I think it has to do with shock waves, the body is made of water, throw a big rock in a pond and it makes big waves. I have been told and belive, that a fist attacks muscle and bone, the open hand attacks organs. who knows.