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  1. Gumby is offline

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    5/06/2006 2:27pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Martial Art mommies and daddies

    Well, I started teaching at another school nearby Philadelphia, and before doing the 2 adult classes in the afternoon, Im stuck with a fucking "Kid Jitsu" class for an hour.

    All is looking well, initially- one kid about 12 years old is there early so he can skip rope and warm up prior to class. He looks old enough that I dcan teach him something, and I wouldnt mind giving him a free private if no one else shows up. With about 2 minutes until class, the 5 other kids show up as mom drops them off at the front door. 3 other kids, round age 12 as well, and then two brothers around ages 6 and 7.

    Now, Im sorry to break it to the martial arts mommies who usually also double as soccer moms and do whatever other godawful afterschool activity you can find for your child, but Im a BJJ instructor. My job is to teach people jiu jitsu, and thats what Im going to do. Im not going to pucker up to your child to improve his self esteem because hes throwing a temper tantrum, and if hes not listening to me, then Im not going to waste my breath on him. If some adult decided to cock an attitude with me in my class, Im throwing him the **** out- Im not going to make an exception for your child.

    I am not a day care- I am not your local krotty school where you can sign up your kids for the 12 week black belt program while you go shopping at the mall. If you kid doesnt show interest, Im not going to waste my time, he apparently doesnt want to do something that you obviously forced him into doing. Insist on dropping the kid off against his will and I'll stick him over in the corner while I help those who really want to learn.

    Now, Im not going to single out how much I hate kids. Its not kids that I particularly hate, just people who dont want to learn- get the **** out of my face. The catch is that if an adult doesnt want to learn, he simply doesnt come. Children are forced to come by their parents, and when I dont feel like dealing with the fuckers, dont make me out to be the bad guy because you're the one forcing the child to do what he doesnt want to do.
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    Have you explained this to the parents?
  3. Neildo is offline
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    You should print that, have it blown up at Kinko's, and post it on the front door.


    Might hinder business a bit, but at least the class would be worth teaching.

    edit: just read it again. Lemme guess, you had to yell at somebody today, didn't you?
    Last edited by Neildo; 5/06/2006 2:43pm at .
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  4. Poop Loops is offline
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    I was waiting for the point of the story to come up. Did someone mouth off or something? Or is this a pre-emptive warning?
  5. Goju - Joe is offline
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    Being an effective teacher to kids in anything, martial arts or guitar or school, is a real skill that very few people are good at.
  6. Neildo is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Poop Loops
    Or is this a pre-emptive warning?
    Note to self: Do not **** around in Gumby's class. Violation will result in a vicious RNC, and waking up on the sidewalk out front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumby
    The catch is that if an adult doesnt want to learn, he simply doesnt come. Children are forced to come by their parents, and when I dont feel like dealing with the fuckers, dont make me out to be the bad guy because you're the one forcing the child to do what he doesnt want to do.
    But it's your job to make the class FUN, and make them WANT to come! Children don't know what they want to do until they try stuff so it's important for parents to traumatize their child by leaving him with you! :D Wow did I just type that without stabbing myself in the hand to stop it?

    Anyway, welcome to my world buddy :angryfire :headbang:
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    Children don't know what they want to do until they try stuff so it's important for parents to traumatize their child by leaving him with you!
    Kids know more of what they want than you think. I had one camper who was 4 years old and knew he didn't like hockey but he understood that he was only there because his father and four older brothers all played so he would have to also. It's what he was supposed to do, whether he liked it or not.
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    Posted On:
    5/06/2006 10:30pm


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    Gumby, believe me mate, I can empathise, having taken a Kids' BJJ class for the last two years.

    The current group of kids I have are pretty good (if not all that large, unfortunately) and as it's a small class, I have time to devote individual attention to all of them.

    I'm lucky that the kids' parents either train with me or have been coming down for long periods of time and trust me to teach the class the way I see fit, occasionally even backing me up when their child is being especially disruptive to the class.

    My problems arise when some parents bring kids younger than five to class. I mean, really, most of them are too young to learn BJJ, and run around the class, which is held in an area with occasionally expanding/contracting jigsaw mats that are a liability nightmare! I can't actually afford to ignore them, which sometimes means that I spend time that could otherwise be spent upon teaching controlling unruly students.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you: We're not babysitters. On the other hand, teaching kids has been a fantastic challenge to my teaching skills. Last week, I was teaching a class on takedowns, and one of the kids, a smaller 5/6 yr old, was having a great deal of trouble with various takedowns simply because of his small size. Eventually, I taught the low single, and this kid took to it like a duck to water, consistently nailing low single legs on a bigger kid in sparring with level changes that put most adults to shame. It was gratifying to watch.

    I've found that the repetition of simple concepts and having a theme for a number of lessons seem to work best for the younger kids. I hope that helps you as much as it did me.

    EDIT: If the kids really don't want to be there, it might be time to have a discussion both with the school owner and the parent/s, with the child present. I've done this in the past, and occasionally it has had results; the child remaining in class and paying far more attention to the lesson.
    Last edited by NSLightsOut; 5/06/2006 10:34pm at .
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    Posted On:
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    The Judo dojo I was training at recently had a kids' class before the seniors'. To be honest, I figured it must have been very annoying sometimes - half the kids would eventually get bored or tired, talk back, giggle, and generally pissfart around.

    Then I realised that at least four of our seniors were kids when they began, and were still training, decades later. Even when they were unfit (a few years off training), they had a natural 'feel' for the moves, and did quite well against fitter, higher-ranked opponents. While they, too, might have pissfarted around as kids, they seemed to benefit from the early training.

    Gumby and NSLightsOut, does this accord with your experience at all?
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