5/05/2006 7:10pm, #61
I'd say that it's primarily about learning to fight, but there are other benefits such as health, fitness, learning history, etc that make it more than 'just' fighting. But then I wouldn't go to an evening class in painting for the social life. I'd go there to learn how to paint.
Phrost's 'Steak-and-garnish' diagram said it perfectly.
There ARE other benefits that people can derive from martial arts, but those can usually be found elsewhere (e.g. I'm sure yoga is better for flexibility than tai-chi, but I'm no expert).
Martial arts without fighting are just arts. **** the semantics or clever wordplay, get real and stop pontificating.
Also, Tom Kagan's friend may have been 'fighting', but that's not martial arts and you are most certainly being greater than ninety degrees. :XXmonkey:Mr Politically Correct GIJoe6186:
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5/05/2006 9:15pm, #62Originally Posted by Matsufubu
Okay, I'll be less roundabout. (As I posted before, but more succinct):
To be a Martial Art, it needs to teach better fighting. Take away fighting, yes, it's no longer a martial art. But take away teaching, and it's just two roosters in a cock fight.
In my opinion, the two terms "teaching" and "fighting" are inseparable in the context of Martial Arts.Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
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5/06/2006 8:35am, #63
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5/06/2006 9:51am, #64
If martial arts are only about fighting, then track is only about running.
5/06/2006 2:44pm, #65Originally Posted by Phrost
This is a sort of convoluted argument mixing purpose discussion with "what should a martial art have" sort of discussion. I agree that to be considered a martial art and meet the intrinisic definition of the label, that there should be some form of fighting in there, but to say "martial arts is about fighting and those who don't fight aren't doing martial arts" is a non sequitor.
5/06/2006 2:54pm, #66
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haf u ever watched the early guess who was the best TANK ABBOT a streetfighter its a fact that streetfighting prepares u phuysically and mentally 4 battle and makes u stronger than dancing around in a gi like a fag
5/06/2006 2:56pm, #67
Hrmmm reading through this another time I think I've been confusing myself a little.
Martial arts is about fighting. Yes, that was it's original function and still is. Take away the fighting part of it and its not martial arts anymore.
What people do with it is up to them. If they want to use it to meditate, fine. If they want to use it to get in shape, fine. Going back to the original poster's question, bullshido is when you state that what you are doing with martial arts is fighting, or teaching how to fight, and then delivering crap and risking injury to yourself and more importantly to students.
5/06/2006 2:57pm, #68Originally Posted by Jaget
Did you see the Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Tank Abbot match in Pride? Damn gi-dancing fag totally murdered the tough ass streetfighter.More human than human is our motto.
5/06/2006 2:58pm, #69Originally Posted by Jaget
5/06/2006 3:02pm, #70
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tank abbot was a STREETFIGHTER he listed that as his stiyle and also PITFIGHTING which is basically hells angels motorcycle men who form a circle with their bikes and fiht in the middle that is where tank got his experience which he used to defeat expert martial artists such as paul varelans
and he was OLD when he fought mir and yoshida so that dont count