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    The time has come: Help me choose a style!

    This could very well be in the wrong place, so feel free to move/close/bitchslap if needed! Yes, I am uberNewb.

    I've been interested in getting started in the martial arts for most of my life. At 23, I figure I'm not gonna get any younger, so I'd better get in shape. The only sport I've ever really participated in is Fencing. Helpful for footwork and leg strength, but when you get used to the wide stance, the shallower stances I've seen *and tried to replicate* in actual martial arts forms leave me stumbling. Other than that, I've sat in on a Muay Thai class, and went through the basics afterwards with an instructor. With school wrapping up, my expenses should decrease, leaving me with enough spare money to afford starting up something.


    The question is: What? Which style should I go for? As it is, I'm 5'8.5", and at last weigh 205 lbs. I've got a stocky build which would hold muscle pretty well. I've never been too active, but within the past 5-6 months, I've been working out twice a week, with fat loss being the goal. Personally, it seems like a toss-up between Muay Thai and Systema. I'm no good at anything at this point, so everything's pretty malleable. I could go for grappling or striking, though my preference would be striking.

    I guess that's all I have to say on the matter. Any ideas? Appreciate all the help in advance!

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    From what I've heard of the two styles, I'd say go with Muay Thai.

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    If you have access to Muay Thai go with it and laugh at people like me. Systema is pretty out there as youll find out if you use the search function. Muay Thai will give you the best standup skills. From what I know, youll learn to punch, kick, elbow and knee as well as striking in the clinch. It would also be a great workout because of the bag work involved. Im not sure where Systema falls in that area.

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    Aikido and Wing Chun.

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    Don't stop going to the gym just because you start in a MA though. How good is your cardio BTW?
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    Thanks to everyone for the advice. No _ing _hun, plzkthx.

    I definitely won't stop the gym work. *I WILL take advantage of a free gym! Lucky~*

    My cardio isn't too good right now because, well, I'm fat and out of shape. I generally bike between 4-6 miles per workout on an exercise bike, alternating between the lowest and highest resistances every 4 minutes or so. I run when I can, but there's quite a bit I'm trying to overcome there. Mainly the fact that I've got a nasal issue which leads to disgusting coughing when I need air the most. I'm sure that once I get more miles under my belt, it'll be coughed up up and away, which would be a major breakthrough.
    Any suggestions for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyos
    Thanks to everyone for the advice. No _ing _hun, plzkthx.

    I definitely won't stop the gym work. *I WILL take advantage of a free gym! Lucky~*

    My cardio isn't too good right now because, well, I'm fat and out of shape. I generally bike between 4-6 miles per workout on an exercise bike, alternating between the lowest and highest resistances every 4 minutes or so. I run when I can, but there's quite a bit I'm trying to overcome there. Mainly the fact that I've got a nasal issue which leads to disgusting coughing when I need air the most. I'm sure that once I get more miles under my belt, it'll be coughed up up and away, which would be a major breakthrough.
    Any suggestions for that?
    You should be checking with a doctor or allergist, but then again, the medical system in the US is just fucked up, even when you have insurance. A general doctor will be reluctant to send you to a specialist, and the specialist sent you back to your PCP, back and forth for months before they even get a fucking clue what to do with you... anyways.

    Since you said you suffer from coughs, now more than I ever I believe you should do more cardio.

    Oh man, actually I do know what you go through. I was born with asthma and more allergies that I can think of. So far so good, but I got my nose all fucked up when I was a teen - intercepting a fist with the nose is not a good idea. On top of that, when I worked in Home Depot, the dust didn't help. Anyways, all that got my nostrils to close really bad. I couldn't breath through my nose most of the time. It was a nightmare.

    Thankfully I got it corrected through surgery... anyways I'm deviating from the topic...

    Even after that surgery, every once in a while I would get a nasty cough, just nasty. That was even worse in terms of pain and nastyness whenever I tried to run. Two things fixed that **** and I've been without that for years now:

    *** get rid of your cough like this ***

    Get a vaporizer. Don't get a humidifier. Get a vaporizer (also known as steam humidifer.) It's a device that boils water, releasing steam and moisture into the air. This is a model I've been using successfully over the years : http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...0&id=prod16092

    And vicks have different models of vaporizers (not humidfiers, vaporizers) which you can buy at most pharmacies (http://vicks.com/products/more_products.shtml)

    Now, don't add any medications or stuff in the water. That's just really a bad thing to do IMO. It's a good way to cultivate bacteria. Just put water in it, and a bit of salt, turn it on and let it produce lots of steam.

    Then put your face close to the steam, close enough to let the steam hit your face, but not to close to burn you. Then breath the steam through your nose. If you can't then, breat in through your mouth and try to exhale through your nose. When you do that, try to breat as deeply as you can.

    The vapor is going to do you good. It's very similar to traditional methods I've seen. As you breat the vapor deeply, it will moisturize your nose, larynx, pharynx, the trachea and bronchi. Whatever goo is in there, the vapor is going to losen it up. After a few deep breaths, you are going to feel an urgency to cough and blow your nose. Don't be surprised if you see tons of goo and coagulated blood with mucus coming out.

    Also, you will be exercising your breathing. Due to coughing, most likely you never take deep breaths. You are not accostumed to that. This will help you. Make sure not to overdo it cuz coughing too much will irritate your trachea and throat. Do that every morning and every night. You will be surprised how well you will feel.

    If you are using non-prescription nasal inhalers, drop that ****. They make you dependent on that. Try the vaporizer. I can guarantee you that you will feel much, much better. Take it from someone who at times would choke on up to 1/2 cup of goo... yeah, that's how bad it was.

    Second, don't give up the cardio: I know. It sucks, it makes you cough. But just hang in there. It's annoying to cough, specially if you are running in a threadmill, so see if you can run or jog outdoors if the climate permits. That way, you can cough, stop, spit, blow your nose and little by little increase the amount of running you do.

    You need to force yourself to breath deeper and more and more. Asthma and allergies makes us forget how to do that, so when the time comes to do cardio, we suffer. Which leads to the following:

    Do deep breathing exercises: You don't need to run. You don't need to do anything special. Every once in a while a few times a day, either at home or at work, try to breath in and out as deeply as you can a few times. First 10 times, then 20 times, then 30 times and so on. Breath in slowly but deeply until you cannot. Then alternate between breathing out slowly through the nose or forcefully through the mouth. This does wonders.

    Another thing, Buy nasal saline solution and do nasal irrigation with it. By my doc's recommendation, I started doing that after my surgery, and it's a blessing. You can find out a lot about that practice at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation

    Last but not least, try Bikram Yoga: This is the yoga that is done in a room heated about 90 degrees for 90 minutes. I mean, don't do it now. Do after you have been doing the vaporizer for a while, and you have improved your cardio. Even after being careful, I would get a nasty allergic cough sometimes around August and December of every year. Nasty and painful. My girlfriend of then was into yoga and she got me to do it.

    I went to Bikram yoga classes 3 or 4 times a week for a month. The deep breathing exercises in a room filled with dry air heated to 90 degrees did something. It's been almost 3 years already, and I haven't had an incidence of chronic coughing since then.

    These things may sound far fetched, and things may work for some and not for others. I'm no doctor, but I tried so many things to deal with my alergies. And now, I feel I'm my best shape ever, thanks in great part because I don't cough anymore.

    Be diligent with the deep breathing exercises, the cardio, even if the coughing sucks, and give the vaporizer a try. Don't get a humidifier; that **** doesn't do anything. Get the vaporizer ;)

    Hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyos
    Thanks to everyone for the advice. No _ing _hun, plzkthx.

    I definitely won't stop the gym work. *I WILL take advantage of a free gym! Lucky~*

    My cardio isn't too good right now because, well, I'm fat and out of shape. I generally bike between 4-6 miles per workout on an exercise bike, alternating between the lowest and highest resistances every 4 minutes or so. I run when I can, but there's quite a bit I'm trying to overcome there. Mainly the fact that I've got a nasal issue which leads to disgusting coughing when I need air the most. I'm sure that once I get more miles under my belt, it'll be coughed up up and away, which would be a major breakthrough.
    Any suggestions for that?
    I didn't have the coughing problem, but I did have a deviated septum.

    I had sleep apnea. I would stop breathing in my sleep. Lots of people do it especially if they have had their nose broken which I have, and if they are over weight. I had surgery to have it corrected. I also had to have my tonsils out and uvula removed. I think you must be pretty heavy, because I am about an inch taller than you, and 15 lbs lighter AND 22 years older, and I feel like I need to lose weight.

    Where do you live? I mean what town?
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    I see the gravity, and I say...

    Step right up folks and watch me defy gravity!

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    Great responses, everyone.
    Rhamma: I'm in Charlotte, NC. As for the chunky thing, I've got a sottish/italian background, so I've always been stocky. I haven't reached the point of "The Waddle" yet, no disgusting stretch marks or anything. The weight has come somewhat suddenly, though. As in within the past year. I had been about 180 *170 at my adult lightest* since the start of high school about 1998. There's a lot more to the mental aspect of it than physical lardiness. *enter emo wimprant about negative body image*

    El: The advice on the coughing is muchly appreciated. It's something I've been dealing with since I was a kid, and I've asked a good 3 doctors about it. It turns out to be a rather nasty post-nasal drip, which leads me to believe that it's gonna be around for a while. I'm seriously considering getting surgery to nuke part of the mucosal glands to prevent buildup from happening again. Speaking of buildup, I'm farily certain that the coughing stems from that, so the vaporizer idea sounds like a good one. I'm thinking about getting some Mucinex as well, as it's known to thin out mucus and make it expellable. A lot of what's holding me back is inability to breathe enough, and though it'll be a tough road, I think I'll be able to make it.

    Appreciate all the help, everyone!

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    What is your goal in training?

    Is it self defense?

    Do you have any desire for competition?

    Do you want to learn weapons?


    What level of contact are you interested in.

    It sounds mostly like exercise/weight management/strength development.

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