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  1. Wounded Ronin is offline
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    MAP gives out really bad self defense advice!

    So, I was reading MAP after the Virus thread and found a thread where someone is asking for help in a pretty serious self defense situation. He get some pretty horrible advice.

    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...5&page=1&pp=15

    Here is the initial problem:

    Hi, A while back i got into some bad trouble, well dragged into more like.

    A big dispute between my friend and his, something over stealing, anyway, i got caught up in this because i was there at the time.
    For quite sometime i became a target for this guy and his mates, a filter for frustration i suppose, i got attacked on a regular basis for no reason, quite often it was a usually group of 3 or 4 people.
    I ended up spending 5 months in just the dentist trying to repair what fists, feet and occassionaly anything harder had destroyed, that's ontop of the doctor and hospital visits.
    It stopped for quite a while, until a month ago, when they found out where i lived, which is just my luck....5 doors away on the same row.
    So now i'm back to being their filter again and having the hell beat out of me when i least and most expect it.
    Before they found out, i'd been looking for martial arts schools, i don't even dare leave the house now, just like trash like them, they'd target my sister next.
    I really don't know what to do, i've tried the police, i even went around to their house to try to talk it through, which didn't go so well.
    It's driving me nuts, I can't seem to avoid it , having my friends with me help, but i can't expect them to be with me 24/7 and they end up knowing when i'm with and without them as they live so close.
    Can anyone please help me figure this out, i'm sick of being their damn target for something that doesn't even involve me.
    thank you in advance for any help anyone can give.

    A few people say reasonable things, like keep a diary of each incident. But, there's a lot of bad advice. Here is some of the bad advice he gets:

    The police is the only way.

    But it wouldnt hurt to invest some time in something that gives you self-defense skills in a relatively short amount of time: Krav Maga, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Boxing etc. and train everyday.
    The only time I've fought multiple attackers was when I fought 3 attackers off by punching out the biggest in the group first, and then ran away from there.
    If you have to fight them fight dirty, look at Richard Dimitri's 'Shredder'-Series for inspiration: http://www.senshido.com/

    But that seems more like a short-term solution in your case since they seem pretty determined to hurt you continually whereas mine was a one-time accidental encounter.
    In the off-chance that you get through a 4-on-1 attack with very limited self-defense skills, what do you do when they bring 4 more buddies along, or if they bring weapons the next time?
    Fighting doesnt seem to be a long-term solution in this case.

    It is very strange that the police would be so inactive in this, you should force the police to do something - complain to your local state department, at least contact someone in authority.
    Jesus Christ, The Shredder? Aka fighting like an untrained 14 year old girl with a couple WWII neck snaps attempted on a cognizant opponent from the front thrown in?

    And, yeah, the police being the "only answer". That worked so well for the multitude of battered wives who depended on the police. Jesus fucking christ.


    Here's another poster.

    Do not under any circumstances start carrying any kind of weapon with you this will do you more harm than good in the uk.
    Gather as much evidence as you can and keep going to the police , you could even aproach a local paper if the police seem unwilling to help.
    On a side note why are they picking on you and not your mate?
    Granted, the UK is very anal when it comes to weapons. But this is the thing. In bullying escalation situations it sometimes ends in death for the victim. You see this sometimes with battered wives in the US. The situation escalates over time and finally the woman is murdered.

    Even if we accept for the sake of argument that carrying a knife will land you in legal hot water no matter what the fact is that in a bullying escalation situation like this you could end up dead. Therefore, logically, using a weapon is not absolutely off limits if the situation is becoming extreme, because it's better to be incarcerated in a socialistic, first-world country than it is to be dead.

    It says to me that some of the posters on MAP don't really understand that violence can be, well, violent and brutal. The fundamental fact which isn't being grasped by the above poster is that being subjected to violence can in some cases be far worse than being subjected to first world law. Perhaps it hasn't occurred to the above poster that the victim may someday be beaten to death.

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    divide and conquor eh?
    go to palidin and get a book on revenge tricks or whatever its called. Single them out and make their life miserable lol.
    Oh dear god. Yeah, ask Ashida Kim.


    There are a few options.
    1) Do nothing and take a beating whenever they feel like giving you a kicking.
    2) Keep the pressure on the police
    3) Try to learn some MA and fast (though takes time for battle effectiveness and with a little training you may make things worse).
    4) You know where they live................., However, I would never suggest that you firebomb their home.

    Just pick the one you can live with.
    Advice fresh from the middle school.

    Okay, but I save my very favorite piece of advice for last. It's the most simultaneously delusional and arrogant.

    The thing about making yourself capable is that you'll never know, even once you've managed the skills and harshness to deal with these characters in short time, it doesn't change how much intimidation your psychology responds to and you'll still be feeling as overwhelmed as you are now, but these guys will be taking you that much more seriously, a potentially dangerous consequence. You never know just how strangers see you.

    Possibilities are that they already see you as someone who could threaten them. Truth is a four year old with a gun can kill anyone and there isn't violent moron in the world who isn't acutely aware of this. Fully half their bullying and intimidation is fear over it, anger that some skinny little guy who means nobody harm still frightens them somewhere in the back of their brain whenever they think of doing something threatening near them. Frustration that all the abusive behaviour in the world can't make them supermen and it's a universal truth.

    The best tact is to meet primordial behaviour with adulthood. Bullies especially can't conquer their own interpretations of authority and it's probably a mature personality that has them so riled about you in the first place. Christian parables, regardless of your true religious beliefs are a good situational tact, essentially they tend to fascinate people who act so much the opposite extreme. Keep your head ready to rock and roll at an instant however.
    Responding to any threatening interaction by immediately advising them you're calling the police on your mobile phone and doing so is another show of some maturity.
    Remember that assault is the apprehension of violence, they don't have to be beating you yet to be committing a Summary Offence. Threatening behaviour and language are others. Threatening to cause serious injury is an Indictable Offence and quite serious, definitely warranting immediate police intervention or any other citizen capable of performing an arrest to help you.
    Remember also that maturity can be the preparedness to take blows in determination to do what must be done. When you decide you have to call the police an adult cannot be dissuaded from such an action, what more are they going to do that isn't being threatened anyway for a start.
    Primarily your role should be that things are beyond their control. Certain acts and behaviour places them immediately in situations beyond their control, and legal systems are primarily designed to make that a truth. They cannot control what is going to happen by influencing you, if you simply will not be influenced.

    You are right that an effective martial art is necessary for whilst they are actually punching into you, in our new tact, whilst police are on their way because you phoned them whilst in the midst of a situation they could probably hear through the earpiece.

    Carrying any weapons is criminal under Westminster law. There is no such thing as purposes of self defence without a Bill of rights stating so, therefore it is merely a statement of premeditation to conflict and cause for others to aprehend violence from you under given circumstances.

    Keep in mind that places you are in when approached by these fellers (such as your local gym or something), have a Duty of Care to step in and help you. Stick to populated areas when necessary.

    And if all else fails, get a couple of mates and a few solid planks of wood...
    So, let's see. Look down on the bullies, call the police at the drop of a hat, and clearly that will solve the problem. Because bullies obviously lose when you look down on them and then call the police.

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    Heh, oh wait, I forgot one.

    Hire someone to protect you for few days.(ex wet boy, sas, kidon etc). Look into special ops web sites to find them. They will give you a bag full of dirtiest tricks to keep you safe later. plus they are able to teach you unarmed combat in very few days. They are also freak accident artists. Good luck.
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    or how about this........pray

    simple as that
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    So . . . just read parables to them?

    Last person who did that got the **** kicked out of him then nailed to a tree.

    His friends then made a lot of money off of the sympathy. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
    Granted, the UK is very anal when it comes to weapons.
    If the OP was UK based, then advising him to absolutely not arm himself is pretty good.
    The Police and courts here are not just "pretty anal" about weapons, they will come down on you like a ton of bricks for carrying.
    In fact, should the OP really wish to get the Police involved, he should try telling them he stabbed one of his attackers next time he calls them.
    A prompt and robust response is virtually guaranteed.
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    whats the point of this thread? i can find a million threads on bullshido with people giving dumb **** advice. stupid people are everywhere.
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    If the OP was UK based, then advising him to absolutely not arm himself is pretty good.
    The Police and courts here are not just "pretty anal" about weapons, they will come down on you like a ton of bricks for carrying.
    In fact, should the OP really wish to get the Police involved, he should try telling them he stabbed one of his attackers next time he calls them.
    A prompt and robust response is virtually guaranteed.
    Firstly I agree that carring a weapon is a big no no in the UK, even if you are carrying it for "self defence". Secondly calling the police to say that he has stabbed an attacker to try and get a quicker responce is really really stupid. Allot of units will be called if a weapon is mentioned and violence has been offered or threatened and will waste alot of time and distance him further from the police. He will also find himself in court for wasting police time, which if I remember correctly can carry a jail term.
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    I'd consider moving if I were him.
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    So, Ronin, what would the appropriate response be in your opinion?
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