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  1. Bobfather59 is offline

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    Posted On:
    5/02/2006 10:21am

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     Style: Handicapped Martial Arts

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Thanks for all the great advice. I know I have limitations and have to learn how to work within them. But as Bruce said, "Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation."
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     Style: systema/RMA

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    I wouldn't rule out striking. You can learn to strike with suprising effectiveness from a chair and from the ground by using "whiplike" motions. Experiment!
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     Style: Judo

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    As long as you don't have one of those sissy-girl electric wheelchairs then you're gonna have arm strength like a gorilla. This means it's grappling time! BJJ sounds like an obvious choice, as judo has a bit too much in the way of standing throws, etc.

    But really, defending yourself with anything but a gun/tazer when you're in a wheelchair is going to be a desperate measure.

    Retractable blades at the front and sides of the wheelchair. Or what would be even cooler is if you could electrify the frame at the push of a button. Obviously you'd be insulated. Is this possible?
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    When I was faced with the proposition of a liftime of limited mobility and cane usage, I immediately went out and started refining my handgun technique and attended a CC class.
    I think it was two ninjas taped together, to make one GIANT NINJA!!!!
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Like I said before, the guy was an amputee and still wrestled and was pretty freakin good. BJJ with a focus on the sidemount, north south and back should be your main focus( I would think). It wuldnt be a desperate measure as Matsufubu said. Yea a disadvantage but if you grapple with other guys who have no limitations youll get your ass handed to you alot. Then over time youll develop your own game and be able to defend and maybe catch a few subs. After a few months get a guy who has no training and im sure you could submit him.

    Also in the wheel chair I think youd be most vulnerable. You cant move and you cant get away. Fucking when a guy comes close lush urself outa the chair onto him and grag him down and then submit. You ever try walking like a seal? Get on the floor and use your hands like legs to drag urself. The amputee wrestler did just that. Then like I said draged u down and pinned/submit.
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    5/02/2006 2:22pm

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    My uncle is wheelchair bound, and has been for about twenty years now. He has an amazing amount of upper body strength. I think that he was a wrestler in HS. Once he gets ahold of you you're more or less toast. He can still do some locks and hes still pretty good on the ground, but is limited by the chair.

    Would you elaborate on your condition a little more?
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     Style: Bartitsu

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    The man I trained used pretty much the same tactic of grabbing the other guy, heaving himself out of the chair and taking it to the ground - he got into fights pretty regularly and this worked for him up to a point. The problems were that his legs (actually everything from the lower abdomen down) were basically dead weight, which really limited his mobility on the ground; and also, he had been "dealt to" once when he thought he'd won the fight and was trying to haul himself back into the chair.

    Groundfighting/grappling should definitely be a part of the wheelchair SD curriculum but I wouldn't recommend it as the preferred tactic, especially if the fighter is a paraplegic.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Taai Si Ji Kung Fu

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    Why do you need to defend yourself from a wheelchair?

    Normally, wheelchairs are pretty docile and not prone to attacking people. Are you sure the previous owner didn't abuse it?
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     Style: Jiu Jitsu | Knife

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    Hand Gun & CCW Permit.
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    5/03/2006 1:07pm

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     Style: Handicapped Martial Arts

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    Quote Originally Posted by kruuth
    Would you elaborate on your condition a little more?
    I have foot drop, which means everything below my ankles are jello. I have use of my legs and can stand and can walk with the aid of a walker. My balance is gone. My thighs are strong and getting stronger. My arms are also getting stronger. I am a big guy, 6'4" tall, 325 lbs., a far cry from my max weight of over 600 lbs.

    I feel as though weapons are practical for my position, and not a cop out. I still have a powerful punch and can use my waist and shoulders for power. My hands are also strong and can grasp an opponents throat or wrist or ear . . . you get the idea. I am hoping to form a style for self defense from a wheelchair, I believe I have seen it done before, but so many years ago I can't recall who was doing it.
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