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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
    It sounds like you're talking about the "bolt." Is it a metal moving part that rides inside the receiver of the gun? Gets slammed back when you fire, then slams back forward, stripping the next round out of the magazine and sliding it into the chamber.


    BTW, it sounds like you're saying the SIG550 doesn't have a semi-automatic mode. Surely not?
    1. yep so its the bolt.
    2. The sig 550 has (as i think most modern auto rifles) 3 fire modes: SA, Burst, FA. You can disable non-permanently the burst and fa modes by inserting a sort of catch. In this case you see a white dot.
    You need to do this for ensuring that you do not fire unintentionally multiple shots on a 300m range
    (multiple shots in a small shooting range are very dangerous, especially if for example there are cows eating grass below the line of fire (no kidding, i really shot at such a place once) ! it always could happen that you switch your fire selector too far => wrong fire mode => not permitted if disabled).
    Also, soldiers are ordered to do this when transporting the rifle, especially in public (not that it really adds to the safety, but people feel more save).

    If you retire from the army however, the ownership of the gun changes, it becomes your own rifle. In that case the swiss army has means for permanently disabling the burst and auto modes. So in the end there are no private persons owning operating automatic guns in switzerland.
    (the ownership of the military rifles (law ****) stays with the governement, even though the rifle is personal and kept at home. For example if you treat your gun like **** and destroy the barrel, the governement can charge you a new barrel, which is as far as I know over 1000$ )

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcHarHar
    (multiple shots in a small shooting range are very dangerous, especially if for example there are cows eating grass below the line of fire (no kidding, i really shot at such a place once)!
    A quail once wandered across the line of fire on a range here in Victoria. Simultaneously hilarious and tragic. I was watching it as it wandered. I'm not sure what hit it, but it suddenly just disappeared in a puff of dirt.
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    Australian culture is similar to British culture in the sense that they both have an acute fear of disorder. You can see this in British laws that have householders arrested for beating up burglars or old men being dragged through the ourts for jabbing chavs with an umbrella. The thought of people taking the law into their own hands invokes a deep fear in the British/Oz psyche, as if that's the only barrier between us and anarchy. Violence has replaced sex as the ultimate taboo.

    Conversely, violent crime is up in the UK and so's gun crime. The system is increasingly slanted towards those who know how to play it (criminals, in other words) and the police is less likely to bother with 'low-level' disorder, whereas a middle aged woman who fights back is usually chucked into the cells in short order. Not even those who save lives are safe.

    Much in the same way that taboos on sex and drugs have only lead to hushed-up child abuse, misery and unregulated criminals supplying porn or smack, so our fear of violence has - paradoxically - left us unequipped to deal with it.

    My own views are like so: there's no greater good if you can't hit back and your home can't be your castle. Criminals only prey on those they know they can abuse. And if one or two burglars get shot or get their skulls caved in - tough ****. They shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    My own views are like so: there's no greater good if you can't hit back and your home can't be your castle. Criminals only prey on those they know they can abuse. And if one or two burglars get shot or get their skulls caved in - tough ****. They shouldn't have been there in the first place.
    Agreed.

    Aye, something similar happens in Spain. Itīs like itīs not a crime to mug sombody, but hitting back is.

    Iīm considering a criminal career, since it pays so much these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    Australian culture is similar to British culture in the sense that they both have an acute fear of disorder. You can see this in British laws that have householders arrested for beating up burglars or old men being dragged through the ourts for jabbing chavs with an umbrella. The thought of people taking the law into their own hands invokes a deep fear in the British/Oz psyche, as if that's the only barrier between us and anarchy. Violence has replaced sex as the ultimate taboo.

    Conversely, violent crime is up in the UK and so's gun crime. The system is increasingly slanted towards those who know how to play it (criminals, in other words) and the police is less likely to bother with 'low-level' disorder, whereas a middle aged woman who fights back is usually chucked into the cells in short order. Not even those who save lives are safe.

    Much in the same way that taboos on sex and drugs have only lead to hushed-up child abuse, misery and unregulated criminals supplying porn or smack, so our fear of violence has - paradoxically - left us unequipped to deal with it.

    My own views are like so: there's no greater good if you can't hit back and your home can't be your castle. Criminals only prey on those they know they can abuse. And if one or two burglars get shot or get their skulls caved in - tough ****. They shouldn't have been there in the first place.
    you make it sound like australia and britain are hell on earth. sometimes the law can be unfair, but in my opinion australia is about as safe and fair as it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    Australian culture is similar to British culture in the sense that they both have an acute fear of disorder. You can see this in British laws that have householders arrested for beating up burglars or old men being dragged through the ourts for jabbing chavs with an umbrella. The thought of people taking the law into their own hands invokes a deep fear in the British/Oz psyche, as if that's the only barrier between us and anarchy. Violence has replaced sex as the ultimate taboo.

    Conversely, violent crime is up in the UK and so's gun crime. The system is increasingly slanted towards those who know how to play it (criminals, in other words) and the police is less likely to bother with 'low-level' disorder, whereas a middle aged woman who fights back is usually chucked into the cells in short order. Not even those who save lives are safe.

    Much in the same way that taboos on sex and drugs have only lead to hushed-up child abuse, misery and unregulated criminals supplying porn or smack, so our fear of violence has - paradoxically - left us unequipped to deal with it.

    My own views are like so: there's no greater good if you can't hit back and your home can't be your castle. Criminals only prey on those they know they can abuse. And if one or two burglars get shot or get their skulls caved in - tough ****. They shouldn't have been there in the first place.

    What are the chances that this will lead to a change in gun laws there... in a positive direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antifa
    What are the chances that this will lead to a change in gun laws there... in a positive direction?
    Probably none. MPs (who have armed police patrolling parliament and live in nice, safe, often gated neighbourhoods) wouldn't pass a bill that lets the citizen fight back. It's against 'principle', you see. Plus all the really blighted neighbourhoods keep voting Labour in anyway*, so why should Tony Blair bother? His government is too busy not deporting violent criminals to care.



    * There are parts of the UK that would vote in a chimpanzee as long as it's got a red rossette on. Why? "Because we've always done 'round here." We get the politicans we deserve as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno
    you make it sound like australia and britain are hell on earth. sometimes the law can be unfair, but in my opinion australia is about as safe and fair as it gets.
    Not hell, but there's been a noticeable decay in law and order in the last ten years. It's a downward spiral, which is par of the course for the UK, but a shame for a new country like yours. But at least in your case it can be put down to growing pains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antifa
    What are the chances that this will lead to a change in gun laws there... in a positive direction?
    positive direction? the majority of australians would not view looser gun laws as a positive direction. this comes down to cultural differences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    Not hell, but there's been a noticeable decay in law and order in the last ten years. It's a downward spiral, which is par of the course for the UK, but a shame for a new country like yours. But at least in your case it can be put down to growing pains.
    your link is about japanese tourists being warned about theft on the gold coast, but you talk as if australian society is going down the toilet. you put it down to growing pains - rediculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    Australian culture is similar to British culture in the sense that they both have an acute fear of disorder. You can see this in British laws that have householders arrested for beating up burglars or old men being dragged through the ourts for jabbing chavs with an umbrella. The thought of people taking the law into their own hands invokes a deep fear in the British/Oz psyche, as if that's the only barrier between us and anarchy. Violence has replaced sex as the ultimate taboo.

    Conversely, violent crime is up in the UK and so's gun crime. The system is increasingly slanted towards those who know how to play it (criminals, in other words) and the police is less likely to bother with 'low-level' disorder, whereas a middle aged woman who fights back is usually chucked into the cells in short order. Not even those who save lives are safe.

    Much in the same way that taboos on sex and drugs have only lead to hushed-up child abuse, misery and unregulated criminals supplying porn or smack, so our fear of violence has - paradoxically - left us unequipped to deal with it.

    My own views are like so: there's no greater good if you can't hit back and your home can't be your castle. Criminals only prey on those they know they can abuse. And if one or two burglars get shot or get their skulls caved in - tough ****. They shouldn't have been there in the first place.
    Awesomely written.

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