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  1. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by peng
    You're hardly contributing constructively to the discourse, Tom.

    Then we have something in common, peng.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
    Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
    Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
    Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
  2. Shaolinz is offline
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    Well Tom did help illustrate my other point.. you have yet to objectively define what your attempting to measure in this experiment. That is one of the first things your required to do.
  3. Doctor X is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by peng
    Like an orgasm, it really is something that needs to be felt to be understood.
    How would you know?

    --J.D.
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    He's got the real sticky hands technique.
  5. saku39 is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by peng
    Folks do MMA, why would I give them excercises optimized for Taiji stances?

    You have to understand that each art has a custom-tailored set of hand positions to accompany the breathing excercises that is designed to work the parts of the body engaged while holding the gaurd or applying a technique.

    Some are truly universal, but based on what I've seen of MMA fights, others wouldn't have much practical benefit to a practicioner of that art based on the stances and tactics typically employed, and I can envision a few that may be of benefit.

    You wanted science, this is science, hypothesize, test, record observations and draw conclusions.
    WRONG! science is not make some hypothesis based on limited knowledge. It is first having a knowledge level at least somewhere close to the professionals in the field. Then you can continue in the process. You however do not have said qualifications. so please do not put your ideas on the same level as people who have many long hours of intimate experience fighting, especially grappling.
  6. Locu5 is offline
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    Posted On:
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    So as a TCC noob you want to try to use your expertise at chi kung to develop a routine that will measurably help improve the health of other people? This will be fun. I will be your control group. I will continue my current training and you can beat the **** out of me at the Mega. Deal?
  7. Doctor X is offline
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    [Stop that!--Ed.]

    Yes . . . yes . . . indeed . . . totally uncalled for . . . I just could not resist! Though Fearless Ukemi topped it.

    Sorry . . . what was the thread about again?

    I would suggest two very informative and entertaining works that demonstrate why proper study design is necessary to prevent even honest mistakes. There a variations on the maxim: In God We Trust, all else must show data. As the works demonstrate, when one deviates from proper design, one risks serious error--whether one is a "scientist" or not. Actually, scientists have to take extra care since they are less-inclined to believe they can be fooled; they are use to "electrons not lying." The "N-Wave" fiasco is a great example . . . not to mention Cold Fusion.

    The first has a wonderful early evisceration of L. Ron Hubbard--long before Cruise, Sea Team, and those marauding clams.

    --J.D.

    References:

    Gardner M. Fads & Fallacies in the Name of Science. New York: Dover Publishing, Inc., 1957.

    Park R. Voodoo Science: the Road from Foolishness to Fraud. New York: Oxford University Press, Inc., 2000.

    [Edited to correct the codes.--Ed.]
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  8. peng is offline

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     Style: Yang Taiji, Hsing-I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolinz
    Well Tom did help illustrate my other point.. you have yet to objectively define what your attempting to measure in this experiment. That is one of the first things your required to do.
    That is definitely true. Before beginning any data collection, the hypothesis, criteria, and method must be clearly defined.

    Before I ask anyone to believe anything, I'll have it all laid out.

    In the meantime, do please continue with the constructive comments as above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locu5
    So as a TCC noob you want to try to use your expertise at chi kung to develop a routine that will measurably help improve the health of other people? This will be fun. I will be your control group. I will continue my current training and you can beat the **** out of me at the Mega. Deal?
    Nahh, we'll use more objective data.

    What I'm after is an improvement per person.

    I'm obviously not as an experienced tournament fighter as many of you, and wouldn't pretend to tell you how to do what you do.

    I'm just passing on a training technique that has helped my own "total package" in the hopes that it might also help you and to further my understanding of the arts.

    I've been studying the subject for four years now, so I have at least some knowledge of the effects and methods, enough to pass at least a little on in this fashion to folks open minded enough to try it out.

    If we can gather some useful data, all the better, IMHO.
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    Posted On:
    4/28/2006 4:59pm

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    You can bring your total package to the Mega. Seriously, what's the issue? It's just sparring.
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