The man they call FoM
Posted On:5/12/2003 10:11pm
Has anyone got this guys videos?
Does anyone know anything about catch wrestling?
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Posted On:5/12/2003 10:15pm
WTF is the difference between catch wrestling and submission wrestling?
Somebody please enlighten us.
Posted On:5/13/2003 12:27am
"Tony Cecchine is the world's foremost practicing authority on Catch As Catch Can Wrestling (Catch Wrestling). He has recently been recognized as the leading exponent of Catch Wrestling by the World Head of Family Sokeship Council, an organization that reviews and votes on the absolute greatest martial artists of different styles."
Posted On:5/13/2003 12:34am
Style: Muay Thai & BJJ
I was really impressed with one of the videos on his site, about hand holds. We're taught to grab our wrist when holding someine in a clinch, he showed proof that if you use the hand in hand, or both hands holding to each other, that the pressure you create is more intense. Pretty neat stuff. I was actually gonna do some research in it. Glad you brought it up.
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"Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
Posted On:5/13/2003 2:14am
Here is what I found with google search.
"The first style of Catch Wrestling, or ‘catch-as-catch-can’, was Lancashire catch from England. A highly effective art of submission it was sometimes referred as ‘hooking’ because of the submission holds being called ‘hooks’.
With the British control of America the art also traveled there, and mixing with the wrestling styles of other ethnic groups such as the Russians, Scots and Chinese began America’s golden age of Catch Wrestling. In the mid to late 1800’s wrestlers such as Martin “Farmer” Burns emerged and began to teach the art of catch. One of his students, Frank Gotch (no relation to Karl), went on to become the world champion and many consider him the best Catch Wrestler who ever lived.
The art of Catch Wrestling first came to the attention of the Japanese through the many style Vs style matches that "hookers" participated in. They really started to take notice when American catch stylist and World Light Heavyweight Champion Ad Santel defeated 5th dan Judo player Tokugoro Ito in 1914. Santel then claimed to be ‘World Judo Champion’ and the arts founder Jigoro Kano sent Daisuke Sakai (4th dan) to face him, but he too was defeated. Santel went on to defeat other Japanese fighters including Reijiro Nagata (5th dan) in March of 1921. These wins fascinated the Japanese and many became eager to learn the art of "hooking".
During the mid 1900’s catch wrestling in the west became almost totally "worked" and continued to progress to the point where it is now unrecognizable in comparison to the original art. It is sad that while the "shoot" style of catch has almost died out in it’s original form, the "show" style has mutated in to the likes of the hugely popular WWF, WCW and ECW."
Now, I wouldn't write off this story a bullshit. I distinctly remember reading a similar story of judoka being defeated by catch wrestler in judo forum. Plus Lanchashire origin of catch wrestling seems to be legit. So catch wrestling did exist.
However, whether catch wrestling survived past 50 years is separate issue.. It is so easy for someone with moderate experience in amature wrestling to adopt wrestling into more combat oriented arts and simply call it as catch wrestling.
Taking a break
Posted On:5/13/2003 2:49am
Catch wrestling still exists in lancashire, and cumberland wwrestling still takes place as part of the Highland Games.
Taking responsibility for my actions since 1989
Posted On:5/13/2003 3:06am
Style: kyoku-shin, boun-shin
"cumberland wwrestling still takes place as part of the Highland Games"
As I understand Cumberland Wrestling, you have to keep your hands clinched around your opponent or lose the match. Which would make it an interesting diversion but a useless fighting style.
Posted On:5/13/2003 5:25am
By itself it may be useless, but the principles you can learn from it are very useful. Also, it doesn't really take much thought to apply it in a more realistic way.
Posted On:5/13/2003 11:59am
Style: 10th Planet JJ
Well, I have recently had a chance to train with a guy who does catch wresting, as well as bjj, and let me tell you it's no bullshit. It's a highly effective submission wrestling art with ***excellent*** takedowns. It incorporates seemlessly into bjj or any other groundgame, and would be an excellent addition to just about anyones arsenal.
Tony Cecchine, never competed in professional MMA events himself, but a number of prominent fighters from the bigger venues did train with him, so aparently there's some legitimacy to this guy. I would very much suggest not writing this off as bullshit.
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Posted On:5/13/2003 12:10pm
It looks good to me too. Does anyone have the video to give a review?
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