MAP believes "I don't get it"

**shinobi_jebus** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:27pm

so let me get this straight, youre not deniying my claims of being able too fight regardless of bujinkan training , yet you make the assumption that my bujinkan training gives me my confidence in my fighting abilities?.

**Matsufubu** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:27pm

What he's saying is that you can be a good fighter, but being in the Bujinkan won't be the reason for it. Some people are just good at fighting anyway.

**shinbushi** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:29pm

Originally Posted by LORD ASIA

Shin,

It wasn't a secret that the quality control in the Buj was bad to begin with so why is it the so many pple are acting surprise when someone decides to leave?

People cannot belive ANYONE would want to leave the org when you have Soke and the Shihan in it. They think that THEIR dojo is the real Bujinkan. I know of 5 dojos (3 confirmed) including mine that train in an alive manner. I know a ton more that think they do.

**BoardHitBack** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:36pm

Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus

so let me get this straight, youre not deniying my claims of being able too fight regardless of bujinkan training , yet you make the assumption that my bujinkan training gives me my confidence in my fighting abilities?.

You are really stupid. For sure.

**shinobi_jebus** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:36pm

Originally Posted by Matsufubu

What he's saying is that you can be a good fighter, but being in the Bujinkan won't be the reason for it. Some people are just good at fighting anyway.

yeh i know i get it, i was just engaging in an argument which , having thought about it for 5 minutes is pointless having on the internet.
gonna have too back out of this one.

**Matsufubu** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:36pm

Yes, getting hit/hurt is not the same as training 'alive'.

The first Bujinkan seminar I attended, I wound up with a damaged patella tendon and was limping around in pain for a month and had to get physio. Not because the training was 'alive', but because a black belt decided that he'd finish off a demonstration by randomly bending my leg back and sitting on it.

What did I learn from my injury? That the black belt thought he'd show me who's boss (I was mukyu at the time), and that he lacked control or the knowledge of what effect sitting on my leg would do.

That does not make the training 'hardcore', it's just a pointless injury that I learned nothing useful from.

'Alive' = as realisitic as possible, not just getting hit and hurt.

**Matsufubu** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 2:39pm

Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus

yeh i know i get it, i was just engaging in an argument which , having thought about it for 5 minutes is pointless having on the internet.
gonna have too back out of this one.

It's an argument you can't win at Bullshido, and it's an argument we can't win at MAP.

Your solution is the only sensible one, but it's still fun to argue!:deadhorse

***Plasma*** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 3:51pm

shinobi_jebus you're a great fighter. So great in fact it wouldn't be fair for the rest of us if you exist. Therefore, you must kill yourself. GoodBye.

**Shaolinz** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 3:56pm

Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus

yeh i know i get it, i was just engaging in an argument which , having thought about it for 5 minutes is pointless having on the internet.
gonna have too back out of this one.

You never actually engaged in the arguement.... He said regardless of whether you are a good fighter or not, Bujinkan is not the reason your a good fighter. You for some odd reason thought he was insulting your fighting ability. Which at no time did he ever begin to claim you didn't know how to fight.

His point: Bujinkan isn't helping you.
Your point: :BangHead:

If you had wanted to address the point in question instead of becoming defensive and trying to protect your ego/rep that was never in question (atleast in this instance), you could have shown how Bujinkan actually helps you (besides the stated "dellusional help").

**Matsufubu** · Posted On: 4/27/2006 4:20pm

Also, I'm going to point out something that's been said countless times here:

The effectiveness of a martial art is measured by the skill of the average practitioner, not by the most badass fighter at the top of the tree.

I.e. the MAPpet who keeps banging on about "Oh yeah, well go tell Nagato-sensei that the Bujinkan sucks! He'll kick your ass!" needs to STFU.