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  1. Odacon is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Bernius
    From the TKD perspective, there's an interesting story in terms that it's at this point where TKD from a popularity standpoint, passes the Japanese arts that spawned it. Becoming the "official" Asian Striking Martial Art of the Olympics was a big flip off to Karate (and to the Chinese as well... note that Wu Shu isn't making it in).

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    Wushu isn't a striking art, and the Japanese have Judo, which basically whips it out and pisses all over TKD. Not that TKD doesn't like that sort of stuff, or so I hear anyway......
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    Quote Originally Posted by odacon
    Wushu isn't a striking art, and the Japanese have Judo, which basically whips it out and pisses all over TKD. Not that TKD doesn't like that sort of stuff, or so I hear anyway......
    Exactly. The Japanese have "Eastern" grappling -- Judo (the match to Grecco Roman). The presence of TKD blocks Karate from entering. Hence it's the Korean MA that is the Eastern Striking Martial Art of the Olympics (the match to Boxing). The significance is that (in theory and more so outside of the US) the presence of Olympic medals gives TKD a higher level of global awareness and legitimization than Karate. The Olympics and World Cup are the pinnacle comps in that respect.

    While Wu Shu isn't necessarily striking, it's considered close enough to TKD that it was blocked from entering the olympics. Which means that Korea and Japan both have recognized Olympic National (martial) arts. China doesn't have one. That's a big nationalistic slap in the face. The presence of TKD is much the same thing to Karate.

    These are nationalism issues rather than Martial Arts issues.

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    MB is right.

    I'm no proponent of Olympic TKD, but it's presence in the Olympics means that there will be no Asian striking art entering any time soon, be it Karate, Muay Thai, whatnot.

    I was actually hoping TKD would be removed from the Olympics during the scandals two years ago.
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    I was actually hoping TKD would be removed from the Olympics during the scandals two years ago.
    which scandals?
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    which scandals?
    The fact that it became an olympic sport? No seriouly though all piss-taking aside the olympics is about pushing your body to it's absolute limit. Every other olympic discipline is all or nothing, can Taekwondo really claim to be the same? Honest answers please.
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    Every other olympic discipline is all or nothing, can Taekwondo really claim to be the same? Honest answers please.
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    It's also important to understand that the olympics have little to do with sports and everything to do with Nationalism and National recognition.

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    The scandal where the organizer of the TKD events that year admitted on his deathbed that korean fighters were favored and were scored points liberally to ensure their victory.
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

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    Quote Originally Posted by odacon
    No seriouly though all piss-taking aside the olympics is about pushing your body to it's absolute limit. Every other olympic discipline is all or nothing, can Taekwondo really claim to be the same?
    Uhhhh...yeah...

    Get back to me when you've trained in Olympic Taekwondo for international competition.
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