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  1. Budo-Bodo is offline

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    Seoul Olympics 1988

    Hey folks,

    I watch this great forum for about a year now, sometimes with greater enthusiasm, sometimes not, but mostly without posting by myself.

    Now I have an urgent question. I am living in Korea, south of Seoul, and have to give a short speech at my university about how the Seoul Olympics in 1988 were perceived abroad, especially in America and Europe. Now I grew up in Germany and I still remember some of the media reports about these games in my country, and I can imagine the European reception a little bit, but I have no idea about America.

    How were these games reflected in America -- the Ben Johnson-scandal, the Roy Jones Jr. boxing scandal, Matt Biondi, Florence Griffith Joyner etc. ?

    (For a quick overview see here.)

    And more than that, does anybody remember some of the political and organizational aspects of these games? Or do you know of a good source?

    And because these games were the first where TKD took part (as a demonstration sport), how did you (actual and former) TKD practitioners perceive these games? How was it reported in the media? Do you have a link, maybe? Or do you personally know of somebody who was there?

    I would be very thankful for all answers, either fruitful or just entertaining, or both. But only for the quick answers, for I have to give my speech on this Friday. So don't hesitate, just hack in your comments and links and may you be blessed with eternal peace and a quick hand-blade when you need one.

    Regards,

    BB.
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    Posted On:
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    *Ben Johnson - a disgrace, just like every other steroid user.
    *Roy Jones Jr. - Got freaking robbed after he beat the **** out of his opponent. Everybody knows it. They even admitted a couple years ago that the fight was rigged. They owe him a gold medal. But hey, look what he's done since. I think I heard his opponent is now a PE teacher or some crap.
    *Florence Griffith Joyner - We always like to see our athletes win big.
    *TKD in the Olympics - Nobody cares.
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    What I remember of the 1988 Olympics is that is was the first super-commercial Olympics. McDonald's was a corporate sponsor and heavily promoted their tie-in.

    It started in 84 but 88 was the first true "McOlympics".
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    I would so do Buttsecks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey Badger
    ... the first super-commercial Olympics. McDonald's was a corporate sponsor and heavily promoted their tie-in.

    ... the first true "McOlympics".
    Hi Badger,

    funny, that's what I remember about the 1984 LA Olympics. See here:
    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics
    The organizers of the Los Angeles Olympics, Chief Executive Officer Peter Ueberroth and Chief Operating Officer Harry Usher, were able to produce a profit of over $200 million. The 1984 Games were the second to make a profit, after only the 1932 Summer Olympics (also in Los Angeles).
    Whithout commercialism, there wouldn't have been further Olympics after the financial desaster in Montreal in 1976, wouldn't you agree?

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    my memory is thinking "where the **** is Korea????"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budo-Bodo
    Hi Badger,

    funny, that's what I remember about the 1984 LA Olympics. See here:


    Whithout commercialism, there wouldn't have been further Olympics after the financial desaster in Montreal in 1976, wouldn't you agree?

    Regards,

    BB.

    Maybe I remember the 88 Games being more commercial because I was only 12 for the 1984 games and not as aware of the commercialism. I think the 1984 games were more profitable because they were held in LA and in prime time for the major US markets. The Seoul games were "sold" a lot more because the events were happening on the other side of the world and required mega-marketing to keep interest up.
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    Hmm, maybe the games were sold this way in the states? I don't remember something like this in Germany, although I am one year older than you, little brother. :headbang: And I just asked my wife, she's Korean and visited a few events back then personally, she doesn't remember anything blatantly commercial.

    Anyway, the speech was postponed to next week, so anybody who still knows something interesting to say on this topic please do so.

    Have a nice one

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    You may also want to address the fact that after the boycotts in 1980 and 1984, only North Korea and Cuba boycotted the Seoul games, so all the big players were competing. You can also talk about the China-Taiwan angle.
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    I was 8 years old at the time, and hadn't started training.

    Sorry. I have nothing to add about my opinion at the time.
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    I think John Macaloon has written or commented on those games. He and I discussed them a number of times.

    From the TKD perspective, there's an interesting story in terms that it's at this point where TKD from a popularity standpoint, passes the Japanese arts that spawned it. Becoming the "official" Asian Striking Martial Art of the Olympics was a big flip off to Karate (and to the Chinese as well... note that Wu Shu isn't making it in).

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