Boxing progression

**Draven** · Posted On: 4/24/2006 6:45pm

Originally Posted by Carbon

RogueSamurai you are a moron.
The place I am at, the way they do their Kickboxing and Boxing classes is they have a beginner's and an advanced class.

Thats nice. However, I train at a very small gym. And we only have one class for everyone.

In the beginner's class you work on basic technique.

No ****.

You work on going under punches, slipping left to right from punches, then you work on basic punches like jab/cross/hook. All while the instructor is checking your stance and correcting anything you are doing wrong.

Yes, and I´m sure Kvetch´s instuctor will go over things like that soon. He just has to be patient.

I learned very very fast in this enviroment. Bag work was good, and then you do mild sparring in the advanced class. Meaning spar only using jabs to the stomach. Then spar only using jabs to the head, then spar only using jab to the head and right cross to the stomach.

Spar only using jabs to the stomach? Thats fucking retarded. My instructor had the best student at the gym beat the crap out of me in my third lesson. *I learned a lot from it.

You just increase the amount of power and technique you are implementing into each workout and after awhile the instructor will feel you are ready (whenever that is) then he will have you start sparring for real in a ring with headgear.

You should spar in your first lesson. I think thats a good way of getting rid of sissies, if they cant handle it they can go **** themselves.

I suggest finding a place like this. You are working out, doing kata which is basically just the same punches and combinations over and over, and then you are applying it to sparring. I love it and I think you would like it as well.

Yes, find a boxing gym that does "kata". What a huge pile of bullshit. I bet I could outbox you and make you my bitch.

**alex** · Posted On: 4/25/2006 6:32am

hmm, sounds kinda crappy to me. the way we do things is similar to what carbon says, we have a beginners and an advanced class. the beginners class is all partnerwork so the noobs are paired up with more experienced guys while our coaches walk around the room and watch people, correcting technique. once you done that for a few months and if you look like you have the **** neccessary you go into the fighters class which is basically just sparring, and on one day a week bagwork.

I dont think putting guys in a sparring class on their first day does much except give the more experienced guys someone to beat on. part of the two month waiting period is the rest of the class getting to know the guy. we are very much a social club so there is less chance of someone who is a friend getting rubbed out by a more experienced guy who is having a shitty day than some random. Plus, nobody wants to watch a guy flail like a bitch and cower when hes being hit.

**Khun Kao** · Posted On: 4/25/2006 10:07am

There are lots of different approaches to boxing. I've had a number of "hands off" type of boxing coaches that just let you come in, shadowbox, hit the pads and bags, then go home. They would come over to occassionally make a correction or hold pads for you, but that was the exception to the rule, not the norm.

I've also worked with "hands on" coaches, that pay attention to you and work with you throughout the training, drilling you on technique until you got it RIGHT! Standing over you to ensure you are doing what you need to be doing and that its correct!

I've also worked with coaches that fall in-between the two categories.

All of them were successful coaches, professional and amateur coaches. You just have to find the training style that suits you best. Each individual responds best to different types of coaching.

Now, as far as the progression of skills, I've always been taught over the years that you learn how to strike through the following progression:

1. Shadowboxing
2. Heavy Bag
3. Mitt & Pad Work
4. Controlled Partner Drills, without Mitts/Pads, but not Sparring
5. Sparring
6. Fighting
7. Owning the technique

#7 is important. It kinda like acheiving total mastery of an individual technique. Its when you have learned it inside & out the way you have been TAUGHT to use it, and then are able to make little subtle adjustments to what you've been taught so that it works best for you and your fight game.

**Kvetch** · Posted On: 4/26/2006 4:18pm

Originally Posted by Khun Kao

1. Shadowboxing
2. Heavy Bag
3. Mitt & Pad Work
4. Controlled Partner Drills, without Mitts/Pads, but not Sparring
5. Sparring
6. Fighting
7. Owning the technique

Sounds good- kinda what I was expecting.

Lesson 4: Quite different tonight, SAS then 5 rounds of shadow boxing in a ring - no comments or pointers but some of the other new guys received a word or two and then.... sparring!

First experience of properly getting hit and the first bit of unsolicited advice - 'Don't look away' gasp. Lots of fun. Pretty unsure about the intensity to go at. Don't want to try and kill the guy but by not pressing it I end up getting hit.

Sadly what I have been taught is that I'm still prone to nose bleeds... nuts. Time to find out if I can do anything about it because if it happens every session, it probably puts the brakes on this.

**ojgsxr6** · Posted On: 4/26/2006 4:34pm

Originally Posted by Kvetch

Sadly what I have been taught is that I'm still prone to nose bleeds... nuts. Time to find out if I can do anything about it because if it happens every session, it probably puts the brakes on this.

Step one is to learn to slip/parry/dip, if that doesn't work you can get the blood vessels in your nose cauterized. I may not me explaining the cauterizing step properly but an Ear Nose and Throat doctor may be able to help you out.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 4/26/2006 6:24pm

Even the coaches in the rough, run down boys club I went to took beginners aside and taught them basic hand technique and footwork before turning us loose. Have they shown you nothing at all?

**CNagy** · Posted On: 4/28/2006 2:01pm

Originally Posted by ojgsxr6

Step one is to learn to slip/parry/dip, if that doesn't work you can get the blood vessels in your nose cauterized. I may not me explaining the cauterizing step properly but an Ear Nose and Throat doctor may be able to help you out.

I used to have a weak blood vessel in my nose, and cauterization was offered as a solution. The problem is that it can apparently reduce your sense of smell, or it could about 10 years ago when I visited the doc. I never got it treated, the problem eventually went away (don't know how, unless the tissue up there scarred.) Everything I've heard says the process hurts like a bitch.

**OZZ** · Posted On: 4/28/2006 5:55pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

Even the coaches in the rough, run down boys club I went to took beginners aside and taught them basic hand technique and footwork before turning us loose. Have they shown you nothing at all?

Sometimes at open clubs like that the coaches wait a week or two to see if a new guy is going to stick it out, or if they are just a fly by nighter. That may be why no one has taken you aside yet.
Once the coaches recognize your face and see that you really want to train, they should start to help you a bit more.
You have to remember, there are only a few coaches for a larger number of fighters. Some of the fighters may be training for upcoming bouts, and the coaches need to invest time working with them. If they are getting a guy ready to fight in a tournament who has several years in, he is going to take priority over a newb. That is just the way it is.
Being prone to bleeding really sucks if you want to box. We had an Asian guy at my old gym years ago who was a great fighter, likely would have made a decent pro, but he bled like a stuck pig and got cut very easily.