Why BJJ sucks the big one

**Draven** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 11:31am

http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=oPKj...royce%20tokoro

Here is a video of Royce Gracie getting owned by some tiny Japanese guy.

**porch** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 11:43am

The Japanese dude had an edge because he trained with a wax on/wax off machine.

**milwaukee cop** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 11:55am

Whats your definition of "owned", I saw a good fight from 2 evenly matched fighters.

**FredGarvinMP** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:01pm

That was a cool clip. I'd like to see the whole fight. They both looked to be very capable fighters. It looked pretty even to me. Both fighters had advantages. There were a couple of shots there that Gracie looked like he got rocked.

So, if Gracie loses a fight, that means BJJ sucks? I don't get it.

**broken fingers** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:04pm

I can't believe that someone who has been on this site since 2003 is still ignorant about BJJ. this is more of a ShreDda thing to do.

**CanucKyokushin** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:10pm

That's Tokoro.Good!I hope he makes it man.If he has to destroy the whole Gracie war machine to do it than so much the betterIMO>

**broken fingers** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:14pm

I didn't get to see the video, but a good arguement for the Gracie representative is that he is getting old. but that can be argued with this question; Who would win classic gracie (UFC1&2) or Modern Gracie (Latest UFC)?

**Tenebrous** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:23pm

Even as sarcasm this thread is stupid. It was a draw.

**DeadlyVenom7** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:38pm

based on this video alone, i could think BJJ isn't as great as everyone here seems to say, and it looks as though the Japanese guy, who was much smaller than Royce, was able to hurt him by STRIKING.

of course, all the BJJ "nutriders" will defend Gracie with their excuses(such as Royce is getting old). and that's fine. and in time, hopefully many of you will be enlightened with the fact that video clips showing Style A vs. Style B doesn't show everything, and that most of the time, its the practitioner who makes the difference, its the way the art has been trained, not the art itself. and also, a striker using "anti-grappling" and striking is just as legitimate as a grappler going for the takedown.

**Tenebrous** · Posted On: 4/11/2006 12:39pm

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom7

based on this video alone, i could think BJJ isn't as great as everyone here seems to say, and it looks as though the Japanese guy, who was much smaller than Royce, was able to hurt him by STRIKING.

of course, all the BJJ "nutriders" will defend Gracie with their excuses(such as Royce is getting old). and that's fine. and in time, hopefully many of you will be enlightened with the fact that video clips showing Style A vs. Style B doesn't show everything, and that most of the time, its the practitioner who makes the difference, its the way the art has been trained, not the art itself. and also, a striker using "anti-grappling" and striking is just as legitimate as a grappler going for the takedown.

Wow. Lurk more.