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  1. Virus is offline
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    I should have just saved time and said;

    This video is why I'm quitting the bujinkan:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    and this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    and this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    Compare those to this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=judo&pl=true

    Who do you think would win on t3h str33t?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sci-mdk
    With commercial #censored!# like Horvarth running "the business" in Australia it's not such a big surprise to me that the bujinkan is slaundred and pissed on.
    Boards ( and users ) like kutaki.org intend to make it worse ; the truth is so painful there that you have to act like a ***** to even say something.

    It's just so sad that it has to be this way.
    There allways be jackasses like Davis and Dux clowning around , but the number of #censored!# within the bujinkan only seems to be growing... fast.
    I just try to laugh at it and keep on going but it gets tougher and tougher...

    Just out of curiousity :


    Was this situation at one particular dojo or was there something else ?
    ( maybe moving to another city a lot or somthing like that )
    Sorry for missing your question. I trained with guys at various dojos. I'd say the most alive thing I ever did was when we stood knee-to-knee and tried to push each other off balance with our knee. Yeah I know. Oh, and at one place we used to blindfold two guys and give them nine rubber shuriken each and you win if you get the guy with the shuriken. Oh and twice we did "randori" we got on the ground back to back and when the instructor said "go" we had to try and pin or submit our partner. It was utter **** because none of us knew even the most basic things about groundfighting. It was fucking funny though 'cos one big guy ended up submitting the sensei so on his next round with the dude, sensei said "stop" and then said thet he had a "neck break" on his opponent, and demonstrated some Steven Segal head twist in the air.

    Yeah so the training is pretty much similar everywhere I went. I also attended seminars by people such as Mark O'brien, Sveneric Bogsater and Ed Lomax. Have done a few sessions with a handful of other guys as well. Alive training was never done at these places. I guess I could say I have done a couple of alive drills in my time in the Bujinkan but nobody I ever trained with believed that it should be the bulk, if not all of the training. Maybe in some other countries the situation is different. I heard some New Zealand guys are competing in Vale Tudo, maybe that impacts the type of training you get in the area. Imagine if bujinkan turned out to work in the ring? Andrei Arlovski adverts saying "I have to credit my Ninja training." What I wouldn't give to see that.
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    seeing as your dropping names now virus, whats your honest opinion of ed lomax
    just asking because his his dojo is near me.
    and no, i dont have an opinion because i havent been too his class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus
    seeing as your dropping names now virus, whats your honest opinion of ed lomax
    just asking because his his dojo is near me.
    and no, i dont have an opinion because i havent been too his class.
    I went to one of his seminars and he taught some fairly standard bujinkan stuff, some unarmed, mostly sword. From memory it wasn't too far-out but it was still not alive training. I don't believe he uses alive training as a rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virus
    I should have just saved time and said;

    This video is why I'm quitting the bujinkan:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    and this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    and this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...jinkan&pl=true

    Compare those to this:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=judo&pl=true

    Who do you think would win on t3h str33t?

    so youre comparing olympic judo too a quiet training session?
    im not convince yet , ive seen my instructor pull out some devastating **** that by comparison makes me go `meh` looking at those 2 judo throws.

    edit: i should refrase that too comparing olympic judo too the worst bujinkan clips you could find on the net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus
    so youre comparing olympic judo too a quiet training session?
    im not convince yet , ive seen my instructor pull out some devastating **** that by comparison makes me go `meh` looking at those 2 judo throws.

    edit: i should refrase that too comparing olympic judo too the worst bujinkan clips you could find on the net.
    Those judo throws were pulled off against resisting, olympic-quality judoka - i.e. people with some of the best takedown defence in the world.

    Your instructor was throwing a compliant opponent.

    There is a difference. Can you spot it?
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    yep. doesnt mean im impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus
    so youre comparing olympic judo too a quiet training session?
    im not convince yet , ive seen my instructor pull out some devastating **** that by comparison makes me go `meh` looking at those 2 judo throws.

    edit: i should refrase that too comparing olympic judo too the worst bujinkan clips you could find on the net.
    You sure that's worst? If it's on a website to promote the art, I don't think it'd be worst of clips.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...andori&pl=true

    Here is Ithaca Judo school demonstrating. Just two people not to public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus
    yep. doesnt mean im impressed
    Best way to be impressed or shocked at quality of training and technique, just go randori with some Judoka who has similiar level of skill as you in takedowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinobi_jebus
    yep. doesnt mean im impressed
    And that's the whole problem. You're impressed by choreography and stage fighting, but you're not impressed by seeing some of the flashiest **** that still works against people fighting back in action. This pretty much negates any ability you have to judge what works in real fighting.
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