Thread: Black Talon Myths
4/16/2006 2:40pm, #1
Black Talon Myths
So recently I picked up some Black Talons for my "carry round" (Quoted do to Maryland's insane CCW laws). While I was talking to the guy at the shop (people who know me know I like to picked people's brain on subjects I have little knowledge of), I asked the guy about some on the rumors I read on the "Cop Killer Bullets", to which is explain they are jacked hollowpoints, expand better and are used my police rather then against and won't go through bullet proof vests (as rumored).
Being an internet junkie I was searching for info on the Black Talons and came across the Cop Killer Myth ALOT. Eventually I came across this posting, that I think sums it up nicely and I wanted to post it.
Originally Posted by http://www.frizzensparks.com/archives/000374.html
4/16/2006 6:50pm, #2
Yup. AP (Armor Piercing) is generally just a steel or tungsten bullet. The best ones use a small, thin tungsten "sabot" suspended in the middle of the projectile. When the round hits the Armour, it squashes and transfers all of it's energy to the sabot which then flies though the armor. It won't cause much of a wound, that's for sure.
4/16/2006 7:58pm, #3
No need to go looking for Black Talons. If you really want 'em, Winchester still sells the Ranger SXT. SXT, according to some Winchester wholesale reps, stands for "Same Exact Thing."
In any case, the SXT is the Black Talon either without a center post the BT had, or with a center post the BT lacked. I can never remember which.
Either way, the Black Talon is not the buzzsaw people made it out to be. It's a good round, but not really anything revolutionary. The petals have sharp points when it expands, but that's about it. Lots of rounds do that.
4/16/2006 8:08pm, #4
3 Words for uber-bullets: Flower power shredders.
Jacketed hollowpoint with a tungsten carbide tip in the center. Looks like a little flower. Those things do one HELL of a number on a 55 gallon steel drum.
4/16/2006 8:13pm, #5Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
Kinda Blurry, but here a pic of the Ranger SXT
4/16/2006 8:52pm, #6
4/16/2006 9:22pm, #7Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
4/16/2006 10:48pm, #8
IF you wan't a truly interesting pistol round, forget hollowpoints and take a look at frangible ammo. It has some uniquque properites that make it dealy in l"direct hit"circumstances, but harmless with overpenetration issues.
4/16/2006 10:53pm, #9Originally Posted by SFGOON
Funny enough I was on the IMI webiste earlier and they mentioned Frangible Ammo. Is that the round that distingrates on impact? How does that type of round work?
4/16/2006 11:43pm, #10
Think of a glass bullet. It hits the target and instead of expending it's energy penetrating, it shatters. The shards do all the damage, and all the energy is expended in the target, giving it excellent stopping power.
Generally speaking, the bullets are hollowed out and filled with fine shot suspended in some sort of thick liquid. There is zero danger of overpenetration, but severe damage is caused when the round strikes tissue. Because the hemmoraging can be so severe, a limb shot resulting in a kill (in time) is very feasable.