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^^^THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST "WOMEN'S SELF DEFENSE CLASS" I HAVE EVER HEARD OF "^^^
Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
I always get flack from people when I critize womens self defense classes . When I explain why I feel that way everyone looks at ME like I am psycho . So yeah .. I understand completely .
When it comes to preparing for rape or attackers who are easily 130 -180 % your body weight and not only can but INTEND on seriously putting hurt on you , you can't even properlly go over the "textbook and lecture" material in a 3-4 hour seminar some random sunday after .
I first heard of and investigated B.J.J. becouse I heard " these crazy fuckers fight from their back ( on the floor ) with people between their legs and WIN ! " ...
first thing I thought of " women's self defense " . -
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This is the girl.
These are some photos we used for the brochure. I couldn't find any really good ones though. Maybe my wife threw them away! LOL!
But these were the kind we used with the caption - karate chops aren't going to cut it.
We had to kinda dumb it down a little for the presentation. Because no woman would ever join a class that looked like people having sex with thier clothes on. Lets be real - that is what it looks like to the uninitiated.
But this chick could throw a mean leg kick. And she liked to headbutt. A lot. -
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Self-defense
Yeah,
Teaching women who have been assaulted before is really hairy. We had a student go into a PTSD attack in the middle of class. We talked her down and she kept with the class.
In our PE class, we could not simulate some of the things you did, and I would really not every try that in a University class. However, we did a lot of trash talking and yelling and screaming and intimidating. We both got really good at it.
We did hair stuff and we did pin them hard against the ground. Now, it was a coed class. We had strict policies about the guys giving the girls and ****. Having my then fiance as co-teacher made the girls at ease.
With the guys we did a lot of the trash talking and baiting scenarios that they had to deal with on campus. Our fraternity row was known for bait and trap fights. Hell they managed to riot during the rosebowl weekend and melt a street and put 28 cops in medical treatment! Even punks, in mass, can be extremely dangerous.
So, it was overall a success. We haven't done it since. I would want to get some of that High Gear if I ever did it again, or maybe a redman maxx suit. The stuff we used barely kept us out of the ER. -
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Miconceptions of women's self-defense
Although most women's self-defense courses taught by joe McDojo are complete BS, well meaning people with better skills can do harm too.
One of the misconceptions is the stranger attack and that they are going to be huge monsters. The truth is women are most likely going to be assaulted and/or killed by somebody they know. This is THE MOST DANGEROUS aspect of teaching self-defense to women.
Guys are more likely to be attacked by strangers.
One of the things we did on the first day was a talk, followed by a scenario, followed by a quiz. My wife would start the talk, and I would be standing to the side, when she hit a key word in her speech, I yelled, "You fucking bitch!" and threw a RNC on her. Now, this was a little scripted for times sake. She would defend and land a mean knee in my ribs, I would then scream, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry!" and we would freeze.
Well by then the semi-circle of students at our feet had scooched about three feet back. We calm them down and ask how many could do what my wife had just done. Almost all the hands shoot straight up immediately. Then we ask the crucial question, "what if it was your boyfriend, girlfriend, dad, etc." The eyes go wide as saucers and the hands start waivering and coming down.
So, we spent a lot of time teaching them how cons and creeps circumvent your social defenses and how to detect them. For a primer on this sort of thing I suggest Gavin DeBecker's "The Gift of Fear."
Women are much more likely to be attacked and/or killed by a male family member, friend, or intimate partner. Just thinking what that says about society is a little sobering. Also, the average rapist is between 5' 8" and 5' 10" and only ways about 150-160lbs. It isn't brute strength or size they have to worry about, it is sneakiness. Roofies, alcohol, con games, these are really the things women have to look out for in real life.
One of the worst things a male instructor can do is let his own macho fantasies get in between him and the women he is trying to instruct. You may be sending them out into the world with the wrong skill set. -
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Posted On:
4/15/2006 11:06pm
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BJJ if taught with the appropriate additional material is an excellent SD system for women. It is true that they are more likely to be grappling with an adversary. Submission wrestling would also be good.
However, being an expert in any good MA does not make a person an expert in teaching SD. You have to go out and do your homework on the side. Fighting does not equal SD, it is just one component.
My wife and I spent a year preparing to teach that class and it still evolved over the two years we taught it. Although the physical aspects are important, if you can put away your preconceived notions about how the world is then you may do more harm than good. -
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4/16/2006 6:22am--
really nice work yrkoon.
1)anyone can eye gouge. her attacker is just as capable of doing it as she is. in fact, from that position, it is much easier for the person on top to do something like that.
Originally Posted by Howie
2)even if the girl in that photo could successfully gouge from there, there is no guarantee at all that it will stop any attack.
3)cracking someone over the head with a heavy object is in my opinion a much better option. -
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