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  1. UltimateGaijin is offline

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    Aikido works, but most of the people who practice it can't do it"

    so why cant they do it?

    Can ANYONE do it? Got some clips?
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    "I know that "aikido sucks" month is over.. but..."

    Oh, didn't you know? April is "Aikido Still Sucks" month. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virus
    "I know that "aikido sucks" month is over.. but..."

    Oh, didn't you know? April is "Aikido Still Sucks" month. :)
    You know, if all you big bullies did Aikido, you wouldn't be so aggressive all the time.

    You'd be passive-aggressive instead. And here are some traits of a passive aggressive:

    *FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love. He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.

    *OBSTRUCTIONISM - Just tell a p/a man what you want, no matter how small, and he may promise to get it for you. But he won't say when, and he"ll do it deliberately slowly just to frustrate you. Maybe he won't comply at all. He blocks any real progress he sees to your getting your way.

    *FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

    *MAKING EXCUSES & LYING - The p/a man reaches as far as he can to fabricate excuses for not fulfilling promises. As a way of withholding information, affirmation or love - to have power over you - the p/a man may choose to make up a story rather than give you a straight answer.

    *AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.

    *SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.


    Sound familiar? It's like a checklist for the Bullshido or McDojo stooge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAB MY WRIST
    BFM,

    Here, try this link...click on the Gozo Shioda video link.
    the rule is simple. First to land a hit at sensei gets to be an instant 10th Dan or whatever equivalent.

    GMW
    Grab My Wrist ...

    You know that is funny ... when I was testing in Hapkido ... that phrase seemed to come out of mouth often ... nice to finaly meet you .

    First of all ... I think giving away a tenth dan becouse (even though you are hendered through years of Aikido training .. ) you simply manage to land a punch or a kick is completely retarded.

    I am sorry but I need to say it again ... really fucking stupid .


    Second of all ... Aikido Journal has NEVER worked for me no matter what browser or computer I am on . It may be that I refuse to let them set their dirty little cookies on my harddrive . So I remain ignorant as to contents of the clip .
    Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 4/12/2006 10:52pm at .
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    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
    Grab My Wrist ...

    You know that is funny ... when I was testing in Hapkido ... that phrase seemed to come out of mouth often ... nice to finaly meet you . .
    Nice to meet you too (even though virtually).

    First of all ... I think giving away a tenth dan becouse (even though you are hendered through years of Aikido training .. ) you simply manage to land a punch or a kick is completely retarded. I am sorry but I need to say it again ... really fucking stupid .
    Dude, if you cannot detect my sarcasm and humour intent, you are one fucked up dude. Relax a little will ya. You seem to convey an archtypical angry adolescent teenager type just so you know...

    Second of all ... Aikido Journal has NEVER worked for me no matter what browser or computer I am on . It may be that I refuse to let them set their dirty little cookies on my harddrive . So I remain ignorant as to contents of the clip
    Oh OK. No big deal. Just downgrade your internet security level for the purpose of viewing the video.
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     Style: Koei-Kan, Aikido

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    That clip of Gozo Shioda is not exactly what I would call a great example of effective Aikido. There is no doubt that he was a bad little MF when he was alive, but that clip doesn't do him justice. I remember the first time watching it and thinking that his ukes were over reacting by a mile. The tough part is is that the only evidence of what he could really do is totally anecdotal at this point. The mere fact that his abilities are passed down by fellow Aikidoka only causes more suspicion.
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     Style: Aikido/Judo/BJJ/Naginata

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    http://www.aikidojournal.com/?id=1269

    Here's a great story from aikidojournal. I admit, video is probably a lot more convincing than storytelling but outside of Jason Deluca and random Tomiki competition clips there really isn't much else to look at as far as what would convince disbelievers. I've always been rational about the limitations of Aikido which is why I crosstrain (besides just loving martial arts in general). Do I think that every high-level Aikidoka could apply a kote-gaeshi on a golden-gloves boxer? No. But the thing that many people fail to realize is that pretty much all of the high-level Aikidoka (at least the Japanese ones) have crosstrained or started out in other arts like Judo, Jujutsu, Karate, Sumo, or Kendo. So to say that these guys are complete bullshit is a little far fetched. Odds are, they know how to fight and trained with plenty of resistance in their lifetime. I think the major problem with Aikido is that EVERYONE thinks that they're Morihei Ueshiba. What they don't get is that he trained 100 times harder than most people and *gasp* crosstrained! People believing that they could be like Ueshiba I feel has done the most watering down of Aikido. That and the fact that the curriculum is so broad. Instead of really focusing on and perfecting one area like other arts (Judo-grappling, Karate-striking, etc.) they try to cover as many bases as possible. I really think Aikido should have moved in the direction of specialization in the two areas it could have been best applied: weapons defense and multiple attackers. Still, there are plenty of people out there that can make it work in self-defense situations. I know of several cops that have used their training quite a bit in the field and they didn't even study Yoshinkan but AIKIKAI!!! I think it's kind of irrelevant if there is anyone who can apply yonkyo to Chuck Lidell in the middle of a UFC fight. If you're training for self-defense or to restrain people as cops are then you have no need to train like a MMA and solid Aikido will do just fine. Oh and in my club when we're doing our Judo randori we allow for Aikido techniques to be applied with the exception of shiho-nage. We've found the most effective for grappling type situations are Ikkyo, Sankyo, Kote-Gaeshi, Irimi-Nage, and Kokyu/Sokumen Irimi-Nage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateGaijin
    Aikido works, but most of the people who practice it can't do it"

    so why cant they do it?

    Can ANYONE do it? Got some clips?
    They = 90% of American aikidoka.

    They can't because they never practice with anyone willing to hit them or take them down to the ground hard when they **** up. They can't because they don't crosstrain, and they can't because they don't train with anyone who does crosstrain.

    No, I don't have clips, and I'm not about to go out and pick fights to prove it either. Ikkyo, or some variation of it, is taught in just about every fighting style I have seen. If you can do that, you can do an aikido technique. Most people would just follow it up with knees to the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiNnyX4
    http://www.aikidojournal.com/?id=1269

    I've always been rational about the limitations of Aikido which is why I crosstrain (besides just loving martial arts in general).
    Exactly. The way it is trained, it is full of limitations. It is not a fighting system. It is a specialist skill that completely depends on your openings to have any success of working at all. If you can't fight, you won't be able to make any aikido technique work.

    People should not be looking for an aikido dojo for self defense or to be a badass. If you want to have some fun, then that is a good reason to train. You still need to know how to punch and slip punches. You definitely need to know how to grapple because when you fail at aikido, you are pretty much just grappling.

    So, in conclusion, aikido is not necessary at all to be a good fighter, but it can definitely make someone who is a good fighter already more dangerous. The movements will help you generate power through your hips and also help you to be more evasive, move to an attackers weak side where he won't be able to hit you with a full force blow.

    I'm not in any way trying to nutride aikido, but it is not a completely worthless art like some people perceive it as.
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    "People should not be looking for an aikido dojo for self defense"

    yes

    "but it is not a completely worthless art like some people perceive it as."

    except in the above case
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