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  1. Locu5 is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueSamurai
    NO IT ISNT. You fucking moron. A HW fighter can be Nr.1 pound for pound just as well as a fighter from any other weight category. Seriously, just **** off you are making a complete fool out of yourself, you obviously dont know **** about combat sports.
    You seem to have some anger issues. Might I suggest a nice cup of chamomile tea to calm your frayed reasoning skills?
    Shut the hell up and train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayDeePee
    Wrong. The best heavyweight fighter is simply the best fighter. There's no need to add a special label just to make you sound smarter.
    Are you fucking retarded? Pound for pound lists are simply a list of the fighters who have been doing best regardless of their weight. You can have a heavyweight Nr.1, a middleweight Nr.2 and a fucking Bantamweight Nr.3 it doesn´t matter. In boxing for an example, Floyd Mayweather is usually considered the Nr.1 fighter P4P, sure Wladimir Klitchscko could kick his ass. But that doesn´t matter. Floyd has beaten much more top ranked opponents so technically he is considered Nr.1. But HW´s can be Nr.1 just as well, not now though since the division is so weak. 1975 the division was extremely strong and Muhammed Ali was the reigning champ, so back then he was considered Nr.1 pound for pound just like Fedor is today in MMA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueSamurai
    Are you fucking retarded? Pound for pound lists are simply a list of the fighters who have been doing best regardless of their weight. You can have a heavyweight Nr.1, a middleweight Nr.2 and a fucking Bantamweight Nr.3 it doesn´t matter. In boxing for an example, Floyd Mayweather is usually considered the Nr.1 fighter P4P, sure Wladimir Klitchscko could kick his ass. But that doesn´t matter. Floyd has beaten much more top ranked opponents so technically he is considered Nr.1. But HW´s can be Nr.1 just as well, not now though since the division is so weak. 1975 the division was extremely strong and Muhammed Ali was the reigning champ, so back then he was considered Nr.1 pound for pound just like Fedor is today in MMA.
    Pound for pound is about adjusting for weight. What are you adjusting for in the case of HW's?
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    I am simply saying that HW fighters are included in pound for pound lists. Do any of you want to argue with that? Cause I can find a lot of lists to prove my point.
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    Listen, jr. Considering someone best pound-for-pound means they're the best in their division without having to fight and being compared to someone in a heavier division. You just proved our point with this tidbit:

    In boxing for an example, Floyd Mayweather is usually considered the Nr.1 fighter P4P, sure Wladimir Klitchscko could kick his ass.
    That's what it means to be the best pound-for-pound.

    There's only one thing you're proving by citing lists that includes heavyweights on a pound for pound list: You're the not only person out there who doesn't know what they're talking about.
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    Pound for Pound means best, most skilled fighter in the world. A heavyweight can be the best fighter in the world, it just so happens that its usually a lighter weight fighter. I don't know where you got this "only reserved for lighter weight fighters" idea, but your wrong. Lennox Lewis was in the top 5 p4p. Mike Tyson was #1 until he got passed by Julio Cesar Chavez in the late 80's. P4P has NOTHING to do with weight class either way. Its crieteria are overall skill, ring achievements, and quality of opposition.

    Fedor, in my mind, is the p4p best in MMA.
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    Fedor is the best p4p
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickJab
    Pound for Pound means best, most skilled fighter in the world. A heavyweight can be the best fighter in the world, it just so happens that its usually a lighter weight fighter. I don't know where you got this "only reserved for lighter weight fighters" idea, but your wrong. Lennox Lewis was in the top 5 p4p. Mike Tyson was #1 until he got passed by Julio Cesar Chavez in the late 80's. P4P has NOTHING to do with weight class either way. Its crieteria are overall skill, ring achievements, and quality of opposition.

    Fedor, in my mind, is the p4p best in MMA.
    Are you Icelandic, or retarded?

    Pound for pound means that if we took away the advantages that weight and size bring, a certain fighter would be the best. What they're saying is that a heavyweight, who is not the best fighter, could take on a lightweight and beat that lightweight through virtue of size and weight advantages.

    It takes no great amount of skill or talent for a big guy with training to beat up a little guy with training, even if that little guy is actually better trained. Sorry. It's a physical competition, and physical factors matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickJab
    Pound for Pound means best, most skilled fighter in the world. A heavyweight can be the best fighter in the world, it just so happens that its usually a lighter weight fighter. I don't know where you got this "only reserved for lighter weight fighters" idea, but your wrong.
    If pound for pound means "best, most skilled fighter in the world", they why doesn't anybody claim that they are the "most skilled fighter in the world"?

    The reason the title goes to a lightweight fighter is because they're using the term pound for pound in the right context. Anybody who lists heavyweights as the best pound for pound doesn't know what pound for pound means.

    Heavyweights aren't pound for pounders because they'll have extra pounds to spare when comparing them to fighters in lighter weight classes. Gomi is considered the best pound for pound fighter so that he can have the claim as the best fighter in his weight class without being compared to Fedor.

    Fedor is simply the best fighter right now. There's no need for fancy titles or extra words to pad his status.
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