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    Greetings All

    Hi all,

    First post on BullShido. I've read around a bit on the forums and thought ah, what the heck, so here I am.

    By way of introduction, the name's David. I'm a Karate man - the good kind I hope. Our training is mostly geared towards self defence, so not really competitive, although we do train (and fight) at all ranges.

    Looking forward to participating in some interesting debate!

    Cheers,
    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Dead Yet
    Hi all,

    First post on BullShido. I've read around a bit on the forums and thought ah, what the heck, so here I am.

    By way of introduction, the name's David. I'm a Karate man - the good kind I hope.
    Answer this question: Do you do sparring (not point sparring, real sparring)?

    Now take that answer and apply it to your question.

    Welcome to Bullshido.

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    Well, it's not point sparring. We spar at all ranges of combat, nice chunky gloves (like thickly padded MMA gloves, which allow you to grapple well enough). The point of the sparring is to achieve dominance - either through submission, sustained gnp etc. We don't spar heavy contact often, so striking KOs aren't common, however we acknowedge the importance of heavy contact and it is an increasingly common part of class. Rules of engagement are basically "don't injure your partner", which I think is fair enough.

    Anyway, not point sparring. Guess that's that question sorted then :)

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    When you say submission, what do you mean? Do you have a qualified instructor teaching you submissions?
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    Hi Garbanzo,

    The teaching team has all had some experience with submission work, through training in judo, BJJ etc. It has to be said that submission fighting is NOT a strong point of the style, as the emphasis is on staying upright. If the fight goes to the floor, the idea is to strike, transition etc. however appropriate to regain your feet.

    Our groundfighting work is not designed to deal with someone who trains for the floor, but to be good enough to give you a shot at getting back up. Mostly we train in submissions because they're there, its good fun, hard work and good training.

    hope that answers your question. I don't feel 100% satisfied with that description, so I'll be happy to clarify anything.

    Cheers,
    David

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    How much experience in grappling and submissions do the people teaching you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Dead Yet
    Hi all,

    First post on BullShido. I've read around a bit on the forums and thought ah, what the heck, so here I am.

    By way of introduction, the name's David. I'm a Karate man - the good kind I hope. Our training is mostly geared towards self defence, so not really competitive, although we do train (and fight) at all ranges.

    Looking forward to participating in some interesting debate!

    Cheers,
    David
    How many combat drops?


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    "How many combat drops?"

    Sorry, but I've not happened across anything well defined as a "combat drop". Could be a terminology thing, so if you give me more info I'd be happy to answer.

    "How much experience in grappling and submissions do the people teaching you have?"

    Well, I recently have joined a local judo school - the teachers have years of experience, tournament time etc. The emphasis is competition, so students regularly compete. So I'm learning from a pretty reliable source on that account (and having a blast doing it).

    If this line of posting is heading towards picking holes in our Karate groundfighting syllabus, then you'll probably find em. At the moment we're actually in the process of trying to restructure and pare down the ground grappling syllabus, taking advice and feedback from instructors from the local judo and mma schools (and yes, to forestall the knee jerk reaction, the mma school does compete). Neither myself nore the head instructor is a specialist in that area - its a weak range we acknowledge and are working to turn around. I guess you could call the process a "guided evolution", in that we'll try things that others have taught us, or we've read about, or seen on an instructional vid, try and get it working, experiment and keep what works, whilst using the specialists from the other schools as quality control.

    The "karate" grappling can't be that bad though, as my randori with the intermediate ranked judoka has been pretty successful, both standing and on the ground, and I haven't learned a great deal of judo yet. It's an interesting exercise in the application of kata techniques within a live environment; certainly made an impression.

    Thanks for the interest, and I hope that makes a certain degree of sense.

    Cheers,
    David
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    I'm actually not setting you up for flaming, I'm hoping to save you, actually.

    If you have Judoka teaching the grappling section of your course, you're probably not too bad off.

    If you have an instructor that's taken a few courses in groundfighting and or has about as much knowledge as a crappy BJJ/Judo white belt, then we're gonna have a flame war on our hands.
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