whats the probloem with wing chun?

[War Wizard]

Ha, good redirect to THE MARTIALIST:owneddanc

[GoldenJonas]

that video has been so abused its rediculous. GM Cheung has a reputation among many martial artists as being a real fighter who has proven himself time and again. Bruce Lee revered him as an incredible fighter; Dan Inosanto confirmed this. he won tournament fights in Hong Kong, he won many street fights and roof-top battles, and along with Wong Shun Leung. He lived with Yip Man and learned with him privately, and also helped train Bruce Lee. and look at his style of Wing Chun: so different and so revolutionary compared to the "modified" schools, with footwork very similar to boxing. the man has also been recognized by military programs, schools of medicine, and universities.

put all that next to this video clip, which was edited. put that against this "fight", which was a set-up, a scam, a disaster, not because Cheung didn't display his skills. the guy was taken to the ground because he was caught off guard and put into a tricky situation. it can happen to anyone. Cheung is supposed to be an incredible fighter, but no one said the man was invincible or could walk through walls. and what does the video show? a young, desperate phony trying to make a name for himself by slugging it out with GM Cheung. problem is, i don't see any clean hits; i think Cheung blocked them pretty well. he didn't attempt to hit back or hurt Boztepe for reasons that were critical to him. and after Boztepe and his crew run away, i believe Cheung finished his seminar.

but i know most of you want to have a much more critical conclusion from this video because you don't like or respect Cheung for whatever reason. maybe read about the circumstances surrounding the video and be a little more objective. but if that's not enough, Grandmaster Cheung is currently staying with Master Keith Mazza in Mount Laurel, NJ. he will be in the area for at least a few weeks. please feel free to stop by the Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Academy in Mount Laurel, NJ. give your best to Master Keith; many have become his students after challenging his skills. or even ask to spar with some of his students. then Bullshido can put this one to bed.

Fairly well written...except for the "roof-top battles" thing. I'm intrigued, to bad I'm about 1300 miles south of NJ or I would happily go to a class.

[Coyote]

(sigh) You wrote what I was thinking but didn't want to s-p-e-l-l it out for him.

If he is seriously looking at Wing Chun, I doubt that he can spell without the help of his government appointed aid worker.

[Lu Tze]

put all that next to this video clip, which was edited. put that against this "fight", which was a set-up, a scam, a disaster, not because Cheung didn't display his skills. the guy was taken to the ground because he was caught off guard and put into a tricky situation. it can happen to anyone. Cheung is supposed to be an incredible fighter, but no one said the man was invincible or could walk through walls. and what does the video show? a young, desperate phony trying to make a name for himself by slugging it out with GM Cheung. problem is, i don't see any clean hits; i think Cheung blocked them pretty well. he didn't attempt to hit back or hurt Boztepe for reasons that were critical to him. and after Boztepe and his crew run away, i believe Cheung finished his seminar.

I'm sorry, but you're either blind or are deliberately misrepresnting this clip.

Cheung wasn't taken by suprise, at the start of the video both fighters are clinched, this is a pretty even start in my book.

And he certainly was trying to fight back, at approx 2 seconds in he attempts to straight knee Boztepe, in fact it's the reason he was taken down. Why would such an experienced fighter put himself in such a vulnerable position as having one foot on the floor if he was just trying to defend? He also tries to kick Boztepe in the knee from the ground as the clip closes.

As for their grappling, it was pathetic on both sides, so no wonder no effective blows were struck. Both fighters had ample chance to improve their position and didn't take them. Boztepe also had several opportunities to arm lock Cheung, effectively ending the fight (but they don't train that gay grappling stuff hey).

but i know most of you want to have a much more critical conclusion from this video because you don't like or respect Cheung for whatever reason.

No, I'd never heard of either of these guys before reading bullshido. I have no agenda, I just call what I see, and what I see here are two 'masters', people who've dedicated their lives to a combat art, fighting like children in a playground.

Maybe my opinion would change with more background info and the full clip, but you've provided nothing more convincing than hearsay in the face of video evidence.

[Da SHreDdA]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9UzN19AnL...ch=wing%20chun

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xw1hqx2gV...ch=wing%20chun

these 2 vids make wing chun seem relevent,do they not?

so whats the problem? i think its just hate for no reason

its like people saying "ps3 is gonna own xbix 360!"

buncha fanboys in here ,i asked honest questions

[Mr. Jones]

Because we love it when newbs start yet another "What's the matter with -ing -un?" thread, instead of utilizing the SEARCH FUNCTION.

Search button is found to the left of the big banner ad at the top and center of every page.

Here are a few examples of -ing -un threads it took me twenty seconds to find.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=Wing+Chun

You low reading comprehension ************ JNP told you to read these threads now read them.

[Shawarma]

I thought I told you to die.

[Robot Jesus]

First vid: Jacky Chan freely admits to not being a martial artist, just a stunt man /actor. He is demonstration impressive coordination but that doesn’t make it combat applicable. Argo that video makes no comment in regards to the combat effectiveness of –ing –un.

Second vid: why is the guy in white moving so slowly. Even if the argument is that the red guy can move so much faster it still doesn’t apply to the combat effectiveness of the art. All it shows is that one guy is a lot quicker than the other guy.

There’s a reason we tend to dump on –ing –un. Every two weeks or so someone shows up and tries to educate us to how wrong we are, to date not one of them have shown a vid that was not obviously faked. They get frustrated when we don’t accept **** like this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=89tLmoCtj...ch=wing%20chun
as absolute truth. (notice how he bent down for the shoot, and went limp at the first punch.)

this is more like reality http://www.bullshido.net/gallery/sho...to/536/cat/523

[twKoxinga]

The "Crazy Wing Chun Guy" had people attacking him without commitment, and didnt land any hard hits

and...

Jackie Chan does Peking Opera, although I still say in comparison of both videos that the conditioning of the Peking Opera could probably allow the opera actor to kick the Wing Chun guy's ass

Edit: Bit on the late side, sorry

[GoldenJonas]

You low reading comprehension ************ JNP told you to read these threads now read them.

What he said........../\......../\........