4/07/2006 4:33pm, #31Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
It's not like they have 3 months to prepare for a fight against someone in particular.
Because of the short time mental and cardio preparedness are more important than working on technique.
4/07/2006 4:54pm, #32Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
If you're at a professional fighter level, having hands on daily training with these guys is going to up your game a few notches.
Tito's choice of fighters was a little questionable, and Shamrock seems to have a smart gameplan, but I definitely like Ortiz's coaching style better. I thought I was going to hate the "Ortiz vs. Shamrock" motif, but I think it could possibly make things more interesting.
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4/07/2006 5:07pm, #33
I understand your point and agree to an extent. However these guys are all going to be getting a ton of conditioning regardless of team, and for Ortiz's guys it is task specific. From everything I've heard about Ortiz (even when I thought more ill of him) conditioning isn't going to be an issue AND they'll be training with Lister.
4/07/2006 7:04pm, #34Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
I guess Otiz/Lister didn't have time to school their guy on basic escapes......
Funny thing though....Ortiz said his guy would be fine if he "didn't pull guard and stayed off of the ground." What's the first thing his guy did.......pulled guard. LOL
4/07/2006 8:52pm, #35Originally Posted by PirateJon
4/07/2006 8:53pm, #36Originally Posted by Big Ugly Muffin
4/07/2006 9:04pm, #37Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
The problem with your argument is that there is on one Tito and One Dean Lister and 8 (now 7) guys on the team.
They showed a clip of next week where the Brittish guy is getting pissed off on Tito's team that the deaf kid with almost no MMA experience is getting a lot of attention from Tito and Dean, this is going to be an issue. Shamrock's approach of being more hands off may piss off his fighters but will give him and his coaches including the S&C guy a chance to quickly evaluate and tailor a program for each guy for maximum effectiveness over a short period of time.
Look at the Louisiana guy. Both Tito and Shamrock thought his conditioning was lacking, but he has a 40-3 reccord and a BJJ BB so what he needs more than time with Dean is someone to kick his ass into getting into better shape.
I am sure all these guys are going to get good conditioning but I think the team that does the better job is going to have more sucess.
Having said all that if I was a fighter I would want to be on Tito's team because I think you are going to get more out of it in the long run, but for the short term I think Shamrock's got the edge
4/07/2006 10:19pm, #38
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I think the 40-3 record for Rotharmel might have been a mistake. Full contact Fighter and Sherdog only list his record at 4-2. Now, I know sherdog and FCF are not complete, but to miss 36 other fights?
4/08/2006 3:21am, #39Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
4/08/2006 1:24pm, #40Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
That fight was on what the third day the teams were set up? if that.
Go back to the start line. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.
As numerous people have pointed out these fights are decided mostly by what you had coming in rather than who is coaching you. Further, despite roid boy, I give the conditioning edge to Ortiz's team. Plus top notch assisstants? You're better off on Tito's team (though I think it is obvious that Shamrock may have made the better picks).