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    Shovel hooks are what we call upset punches in our training. Elbows in tight.
    And we test it plenty in sparring(bare knuckle to the body) and use the upset for body conditioning as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lights Out
    I just had a crazy idea to train short power.
    Use the "short power" punches on a heavy bag.
    Do you dig it or I just went mad?
    logical, but you'd have to convince some LARP taichi/xingyi guy to actually want to use a heavy bag. I mean jeez, that'll make you sweat.

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    Im not saying kung-fu NEVER tests it, they MOSTLY dont test it.

    Just like karate.


    And why use a heavy bag or spar when you can push hands? It's obviosly superior to sparring even though it's just a drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAhmed46
    It's obviosly superior to sparring even though it's just a drill.
    The only thing obvious to me here is that you're stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    The only thing obvious to me here is that you're stupid.
    I know sarcasm isn't always terribly easy to pick up on in text form, but c'mon!
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    On a similar but different note:

    Loose hooks: When i throw a shovel hook i keep my elbow lower then my fist. When i use loose hooks however, i try to do the same but i seems to lose range, and it feels wierd. I feel more comfortable with my elbow ABOVE my fist when doing loose hooks.

    Is this a problem?

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    With bare-knuckle loose hooks I have found the elbow 'needs' to be above the fist to get good power and knuckle alignment, and since for me the only target for these is the jaw, my elbow needs to be high to get over whatever is usually in the way.
    But this is nothing to do with shovel-hooks.

    I try to use fast acceleration (explosive) with shovels by using short body roll and hip movement, and ignore the power after that, just letting the fist hit the target with my arm as loose as it can be at the end. In such a short space of time there is still a lot of tension there, but that seems beside the point. My fast and looseish shovels carry more 'power' than fully tense ones, according to my training partners.

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    Am I mistaken in assuming short power is essentially the concept of using biomechanics to get the most out of your strikes? Whipping motions through the back, hips, shoulders, and arm to generate power with little or no distance?

    Would this be the same as or different from explosive acceleration?

    If the two are different, then I know how to train the first one at least. It's just about the only good application for board and brick breaking I can think of; anyone can break a board or a brick, but when you can do it from no distance, then you have the concept of generating power without movement. Further applying it to an actual strike provides impressive results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CNagy
    Am I mistaken in assuming short power is essentially the concept of using biomechanics to get the most out of your strikes? Whipping motions through the back, hips, shoulders, and arm to generate power with little or no distance?

    Would this be the same as or different from explosive acceleration?

    If the two are different, then I know how to train the first one at least. It's just about the only good application for board and brick breaking I can think of; anyone can break a board or a brick, but when you can do it from no distance, then you have the concept of generating power without movement. Further applying it to an actual strike provides impressive results.

    I have no idea what you're trying to say
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    I sorta know what ur saying but....boardbreaking will always be something I dont understand. First you cant generate power without moving. Power can be generated with very limited movement but there has to be movement. Put your hand one inch away from the board. Now try to break the board but keep your hand one inch away from it. Unless your god or Me then it aint happening.

    What you want to do is train for power at short ranges. So you just practice punching the bag from short distances. Voila!

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