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  1. nezha is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    No, 武 is commonly translated as war or martial. When applied to other characters, it means things pertaining to war on a grand scale. 武術/Bujutsu/Wushu/Moosool means war skill.

    戰, Zhan in Chinese, Jun in Korean, can be translated to mean war, but it more properly works as pertaining to combat, the actual fighting. 戰鬪/Zhandou/Juntoo means the act of combat.
    really? when i read chinese texts "wu" is usually not used to refer to fighting on a large scale. "zhan dou" on the other hand, though it means conflict or combat, usually i see it used to talk about wars and battle. in fact, "zhan" is often used like the word "battle" when naming battles. "------- zhi zhan" can be read like the "battle of ----------"

    btw, how are you typing chinese characters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nezha
    really? when i read chinese texts "wu" is usually not used to refer to fighting on a large scale.
    Allow me to clarify. In saying "refer to war on a grand scale", I am not talking about "fighting on a grand scale". You just subsituted terms from my post to yours. I am talking about the overall conception of warfare. 武 means war, in the sense of things pertaining to warfare. My physical skill in war is 武術.

    In fact, it this very point that many people forget.

    Martial art, 武藝, literally is not all about fighting.

    It refers to all things having to do with warfare. To be a martial artist/warrior, 武藝者, in the classical sense means not just skill in unarmed or even armed combat, but a knowledge of tactics, strategy, leadership, and all other things having to do with warfare. With exception of the military men on this board, none of us can truly call ourselves "martial artists" in the classical sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by nezha
    "zhan dou" on the other hand, though it means conflict or combat, usually i see it used to talk about wars and battle. in fact, "zhan" is often used like the word "battle" when naming battles. "------- zhi zhan" can be read like the "battle of ----------"
    Bingo. No disagreement here. 戰鬪 could be seen as me applying my skill in war in a given situation.

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    btw, how are you typing chinese characters?
    Using the Korean IME installed on Windows.
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    More Chinese military Wushu of disaster, this time featuring Marine chicks...
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    If those chicks are in the military, why are they still training with Kung Fu swords ?

    It would make sense if they did the exercises of Wu Shu aswell as the un armed combat suff, but why train with swords ? Who is gonna attack you with a sword in the military ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Hang on.

    If those chicks are in the military, why are they still training with Kung Fu swords ?

    It would make sense if they did the exercises of Wu Shu aswell as the un armed combat suff, but why train with swords ? Who is gonna attack you with a sword in the military ?
    Does it have to make sense? It is a beauracracy, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Hang on.

    If those chicks are in the military, why are they still training with Kung Fu swords ?

    It would make sense if they did the exercises of Wu Shu aswell as the un armed combat suff, but why train with swords ? Who is gonna attack you with a sword in the military ?
    Don't most armies have drills that seem pointless in terms of combat? They still have dress swords in the West, don't they? I thought this kind of thing - older rituals, culturally specific - was fairly standard. Plenty of military folk on Bullshido to tell us...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    Don't most armies have drills that seem pointless in terms of combat? They still have dress swords in the West, don't they? I thought this kind of thing - older rituals, culturally specific - was fairly standard. Plenty of military folk on Bullshido to tell us...
    I think you're right on about that. When I was in, we would sometimes play football or soccer for PT just to break up the monotony. If someone took pictures of us doing that would that mean that the US Army was going to be using soccer and footballs in combat?
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    If someone took pictures of us doing that would that mean that the US Army was going to be using soccer and footballs in combat?
    But just imagine if it did - the great 'US of A' brought to its knees by the military force of.......Manchester United.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    But just imagine if it did - the great 'US of A' brought to its knees by the military force of.......Manchester United.
    We'd probably fall asleep on the "battlefield" due to sheer boredom of the "combat."
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