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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
    I train under a long line of karateka who smack themselves with hammers for fun and my instructor still doesn't have us pounding away on makiwaras. I'd ask him for the specific reasoning behind this, but I don't really care.
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    Darren Is not Isshin-ryu an Okinawan synthesis syle that date from 1956 ,
    so it not really a traditional style , It was real big with the USMC but as a modern
    style, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexkwon
    Darren Is not Isshin-ryu an Okinawan synthesis syle that date from 1956 ,
    so it not really a traditional style , It was real big with the USMC but as a modern
    style, yes?
    So what would you class as a traditional style of Karate? Only the 'big four' (i.e. Goju, Shito, Wado and Shotokan)? As I said, even these are relatively modern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    So what would you class as a traditional style of Karate? Only the 'big four' (i.e. Goju, Shito, Wado and Shotokan)? As I said, even these are relatively modern.
    No the point is many people that complain aren't doing true TMA.

    Their view is skewed.

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    Dayoung I can't say all I know is that when it was sold to the USMC it was sold as a progressive and not a traditional style, if that was and is no long true , I can't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexkwon
    Dayoung I can't say all I know is that when it was sold to the USMC it was sold as a progressive and not a traditional style, if that was and is no long true , I can't say.
    Fair enough. I think many of the older martial arts were banned by the SCAP forces (associated with nationalism), so maybe the 'progressive' label was a selling point.

    I guess my overall point is that the term 'traditional' is problematic when we're talking about modern budo (as opposed to bujutsu, bugei, and all the older stuff). Western boxing is not called 'traditional', even though Queensbury's rules are older than Shotokan, Kodokan Judo, Aikido, and so on.
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    I've been using a makiwara consistently for the past few months as part of my Kyokushin training. I can see the reasoning behind the use of it (a concentrated strike to one set area, as compared to a heavy bag which unless you mark it really has none, and the makiwara tends to be a lot more solid than the heavy bag).

    I see a makiwara though more like a speed bag: primarily a conditioning tool with some carryover benefits, but not really for learning how to fight.

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    The only way to learn how to fight is to... fight.

    There. I've said it.

    And aren't we usually fairly receptive to Kyokushin and its derivatives on here, for including sparring and alive training? I wasn't aware that karate had received the low-on-the-totem-pole status of something like _ing _un.
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    It didn't. He just didn't lurk too much and hopped right in the fray. I did the same though so I can't yell at him for it, but it should've warranted further looking into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    So what would you class as a traditional style of Karate? Only the 'big four' (i.e. Goju, Shito, Wado and Shotokan)? As I said, even these are relatively modern.
    I would include Shorin Ryu, but you may be meaning that with Shotokan, let me know if I'm mistaken...

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