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  1. Sam Browning is online now

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    Posted On:
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    hall of famestaff
     

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    You are calling the Gracies a McDojo, and are not specifying which Gracies. For example Renzo Gracie is in New York City and couldn't care what his cousin Rorion Gracie does in California. There have been a number of splits over the years dating back to Brazil so I'll make it simple for you.

    Which of the following are you accusing of running a McDojo?

    Helio Gracie
    Ronin Gracie

    Royce Gracie (Split from Helio and Ronin about five years ago)

    Any of the other sons of Helio Gracie

    _______________Name them.


    Second Family Tree

    Carlson Gracie
    Carlson Gracie Jr (I believe both are deceased)

    Renzo Gracie
    Cesar Gracie

    Students of Carlson Gracie I and II

    Mario Sperry, ect

    Name your Gracie and then tell us what specific acts by them make them a McDojo.
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    Posted On:
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    Last I checked, Carlson Gracie Jr. was still alive. Hell, I think he had a seminar a few weeks ago.
    "No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
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    hall of famestaff
     

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    Oops, my bad, does this mean that I'm not a tool of the international Gracie conspiracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbanzo Bean
    Last I checked, Carlson Gracie Jr. was still alive. Hell, I think he had a seminar a few weeks ago.
    Zombie?
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    Posted On:
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    I went back and read all of Gerry's threads... I think his central point is that some of us are being paid to advertise GJJ and/or criticize all other martial arts to promote GJJ/BJJ. In other words, he's not really a troll, just a fringe lunatic.

    But he has discovered my secret shame... I'm part of a global conspiracy to make the Gracies rich... oh the humanity... I have no pride... I am a puppet and my real name is Paolo Muenes. I'll never be able to look myself in the mirror again after Gerry has so successfully uncovered our insane plot. I remember when Rickson was waving around a bunch of cash in my face and telling me about his miraculous plan that was so crazy it just had to work.

    Before the black helicopters come get me to put me in a North Korean death camp I had to get this off my chest. Now, I can die with dignity.
    A lie gets half-way around the world before the truth has time to get it's pants on. - Winston Churchhill
  6. Sam Browning is online now

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    Posted On:
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    hall of famestaff
     

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    One of our posters pointed out it was Carlson Gracie Sr. son of Carlos Gracie who died this year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlson_Gracie
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Judo, Tomiki Aikido, ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Mansfield
    P.S. How much did you get paid for advertising for the Gracies or your BJJ school Oh **** lets not forget about the dog brothers and sherdog.
    And you wonder why I think you're a de facto "Flatearther."
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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ/Judo/Boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
    One of our posters pointed out it was Carlson Gracie Sr. son of Carlos Gracie who died this year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlson_Gracie
    Yea, Carlson Gracie Jr. still comes down from time to time to train with us. He was supose to come out 2 or 3 weeks ago, but traffic from chicago to here was horrible so he never made it. Maybe he is a zombie and just ran out of fresh brains? :-p

    I'm still upset that I joined this club just after Carlson Gracie Sr. visisted and then he died before I got to meet the man. I think he would of been an awesome guy to meet.
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    Posted On:
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    More proof!

    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
    I've stayed out of this for one reason:

    - Dude, you kinda went off the deep end. I'm not saying don't go swimming but maybe wear a life jacket and try not to drag me under with you.

    As oppose to highjacking a thread I'd have started a new one. Also, as I pointed out you essentially nullified your argument from the onset when you stated that anyone who disagrees with you was wrong and verifying your opinion.

    Also, without disclosing your PMs you seem to have a varied grasp on the length of time spent at Williams school. Sadly a TKD school loses a lot of people in the first year or so, so its doubtful that anyone that I know there will remember you. Further to that from what I know of Mr. Fu r can almost assure the board that unless things have changed drastically no one gets a Black belt from him in 2 years.

    I would suggest a time out. You go to your corner and cool off and maybe come back with a plan. I won't go too much into your posts so far but I was more than a little annoyed at attacks on some of the founders of BJJ (justified or not) as it is not your place to criticize them any more than I can feel free to criticize Oyama.

    TKD
    Really,

    15 years ago is a long time, My memory isn't as good as it used to be, I was there between a year ot two, what level did I get to? you tell me! Not Black belt as you suspected, but not far. P.S. I also have friends that are still at his school and discusted with the fact that it is now only a 2 year wait for a Black belt with Mr. Fu
    (me, I'd don't care, that's what one of his Students told me)

    How about this P.M. I received From ASKARI in Ottawa! Still think I'm off the deap end? have you not noticed how all the Gracie guys have,

    1)Changed the subject on this thread
    2)Tried to recruit me( several times I might add, and not only on this thread)
    3)Tried to accuse me of being a liar, when they in fact they are vague and misleading
    4)Disrespect all other styles including TKD and Boxing

    see my next post for the recruitment strategy they use!

    P.S. TKD you can jump of the ship any fucking time you want, try not to be so cute and pensive when you post. I'm looking for people that can make their own decisions anyway.

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Tae Kwon Do

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    Common Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    And you wonder why I think you're a de facto "Flatearther."
    Mcdojoist always use common language to feel like their part of a"secret group"

    Definition;Flatearther, someone who is unwilling to believe that the Gracie Jiu jitsu system is the be all and end all of Martial arts,and also refuses to come into one of the clubs and see how nice and how good we are, we let the product speak for itself.

    Gerry Mansfield = Flatearther

    Once again, Thank you for proving my point.

    G
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