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  1. danno is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    So they ARE projecting themselves as an MMA school? Case closed, they're bullshido.
    there can be no more debate beyond this. we all know what MMA means.
  2. Hurt is offline

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     Style: Short fat wimp style MMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by akja
    stuff
    So how many holds are barred?

    You keep talking about rules, but yeah that's not the origin of the word either. I'd always understood it as coming from wrestling and allowing all the "hooks". By that same token then MMA competition is NHB, why should you or anyone else say different just because you have enough sense to know it's misleading and not the common usage?
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     Style: Whoo-Hoo-Fu!

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    PS - BJJ.org is out of date, the guy in question would have been ranked a level below (unless Rickson was just promoted?) At the time he was a 6th.

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    [QUOTE=akja]
    Quote Originally Posted by devil

    Why not. Some boxing traininers were not boxers to start with. Their "craft" is teaching.
    And that is fine.,but if their record cannot speak for them, their students should.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Back on topic.I do not crosstrain.I train one sport, MMA.I do not train BJJ, or thaiboxing.I'd be pretty lost competing in either.
    I look fondly back on the breif time after what is now known as MMA was known as NHB and before it was known as MMA.
    During this year or so it was generally reffered to as "submission fighting".But this was during the cable blackout when politicians were denouncing "human cockfighting".So there was a movement to call it MMA, as most all allowed in submission fighting is allowed in some sport, whther Judo, BJJ, thaiboxing etc.
    A week does not go by where someone doesn't walk in saying "What martial arts do you mix?" Or "When are the thaiboxing classes?" To which I respond "Never, we are an MMA school." Which leaves most confused.
    To me MMA is a specific term(s) referring to a set of rules.
    It is unfortunate that unscupulous charlatans have benefitted from MMA sharing its name with the unfortunate mixing of pathetic non sport based styles of sillyness.
  6. Askari is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ, Ju-Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Machine
    And that is fine.,but if their record cannot speak for them, their students should.
    YES, which is exactly why if I were going to compete in boxing I would train with Russ Amber. For MMA, I would say the most famous in that category is Robert Follis.

    But both those guys also like to fight, they just like to coach more then fight.
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     Style: BJJ & MT

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
    PS - BJJ.org is out of date, the guy in question would have been ranked a level below (unless Rickson was just promoted?) At the time he was a 6th.

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  8. akja is offline

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     Style: Kempo Ju Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locu5
    But Kempo Jiu Jitsu is an OK label? Interesting value system.
    Yes, Kempo Ju Jitsu is appropriate. MMA is evolving into "it's own." And JKD is going through a similar mis-understanding of "what is and isn't."

    Kempo the way of the fist, Ju Jitsu, the gentle way. Simple, generic and non-trademarkable.
  9. akja is offline

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     Style: Kempo Ju Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurt
    So how many holds are barred?

    You keep talking about rules, but yeah that's not the origin of the word either. I'd always understood it as coming from wrestling and allowing all the "hooks". By that same token then MMA competition is NHB, why should you or anyone else say different just because you have enough sense to know it's misleading and not the common usage?
    To many to list. But no holds barred is the equivalent of Vale Tudo, neither of which UFC or pride are.

    In the USA we went from maybe 1 rule in the beginning to this:
    Weight classes: [Top]
    Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.
    Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.
    Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.
    Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.
    Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.

    Bout duration: [Top]
    All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds.
    All championship bouts shall be five rounds.
    Rounds will be five minutes in duration.
    A one-minute rest period will occur between each round.

    Fouls: [Top]
    1. Butting with the head.
    2. Eye gouging of any kind.
    3. Biting.
    4. Hair pulling.
    5. Fish hooking.
    6. Groin attacks of any kind.
    7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
    8. Small joint manipulation.
    9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
    10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
    11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
    12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
    13. Grabbing the clavicle.
    14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
    15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
    16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
    17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
    18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
    19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
    20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
    21. Spitting at an opponent.
    22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
    23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
    24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
    25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
    26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
    27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
    28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
    29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
    30. Interference by the corner.
    31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

    Ways To Win: [Top]
    1. Submission by:
    Physical tap out.
    Verbal tap out.
    2. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.
    3. Decision via the scorecards, including:
    Unanimous decision.
    Split decision.
    Majority decision.
    Draw, including:
    Unanimous draw.
    Majority draw.
    Split draw.
    4. Technical decision.
    5. Technical draw.
    6. Disqualification.
    7. Forfeit.
    8. No contest.

    Referee may Restart the round: [Top]
    If the fighters reach a stalemate and do not work to improve position or finish.

  10. akja is offline

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    Posted On:
    4/05/2006 1:03am


     Style: Kempo Ju Jitsu

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    [quote=Strong Machine]
    Quote Originally Posted by akja

    And that is fine.,but if their record cannot speak for them, their students should.
    TRUE. But I think it's possible for an instructor to train his students for MMA competition even if they never become known.

    But really MMA today is pure sport. That is fine, but I think it deserves a better maybe shorter name.
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